[lukan]

" Pattern recognition, sure. Not intelligence. Not even close."

To me it is a form of intelligence, just not general intelligence.

And yes, the trick is not treat them as intelligent, but like an idiot. Explain every single detail. Document everything in detail. Remove anything distracting. And then it might work like a charm at times.

[neonstatic]

No to be nitpicky or difficult, but I find it strange that we don't really have a solid, agreed upon definition of intelligence, but suddenly we have variants of the non-definition - general, super, etc. I think it's just marketing fluff.

If the model understood what it sees, it wouldn't need to be treated like someone who doesn't? And if it doesn't understand, how can it be intelligent?

[lukan]

I don't have the answer here.

I just know, that if I would point a average human to a messy old codebase, he or she would just shrug helplessly. Even most programmers.

But if I tell claude to start digging in, refactor, update outdated tools .. it produces results. So there is some "understanding" I don't know how else to call it. So surely it is not a general intelligence, but it is certainly useful.

[neonstatic]

I think what you are describing is the actual usefulness of the tech. It can do some things and, contrary to humans, it doesn't get demotivated or uninterested, it's a machine.

I will stick to my earlier statement (I hope I made it in this thread) - it seems to be treating blocks of texts as concepts and tries to compose those concepts like lego blocks. It is quite amazing that it can transform characters into meanings, even if it doesn't really understand these meanings, then compose them. I just don't think that's enough to call it intelligent (but certainly it's enough to find it useful for some tasks, as you point out).