[XYen0n]

I now also believe that at least Active Record is much easier to use than Django's ORM

[rdevilla]

Doesn't matter when devs just slop out 400 lines of SQL and bypass the ORM.

Frameworks and structure will save you from neither stupidity nor ignorance.

[neocron]

If have a different opinion on this, as I think it's 100x better to learn sql and just write it directly instead of using the dozens of leaky abstraction of some framework.

[dewey]

That has always been the case, why would it be different now? Easy to flag and spot in code review.

[rdevilla]

Boy, I sure wish I had the opportunity to review codebases before inheriting them for maintenance...

[dewey]

I get your point but this is neither a Rails, nor an AI problem and as old as time.

[_kblcuk_]

I mean, I've seen enough "django specialists" to end up with queries doing a dozen of join bombs and producing 10 million rows from dataset of maybe 1000 items. So pretty safe to add "ORM" to your last statement.