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by remarkEon 104 days ago
If only Americans think we're the good guys, then why does everyone want to live here?
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I see this comment a lot. People don't want to live there. They want the dollars to send back to their home countries and families.
This make Americans suckers, if anything.
Well, first, that's two overgeneralizations.

But, second, often precisely because they think we’re the bad guys.

If you see the world as dominated by an evil, overwhelmingly powerful empire that uses violence in a way that shows no concern for the continuation or quality of human life outside of the metropole then, even if it is bigoted, repressive, and unjust within the metropole, you still want to be in the metropole rather rhan peripheries.

Not everybody wants to live there; heck, I know plenty of Americans that after living abroad in Europe and Japan don't want to go back.

And before you say that the US gets a bazillion immigrants per year, Europe gets many more.

Well, if that was true then why does everyone get really mad when we try to restrict who gets to come to the United States?

I think, as a formative experience, most Americans should go through the "wow Europe is great (if you go to the right spots)" if only to understand the history and where America came from, and also the "awakening" that happens when one visits Japan. Their trains really do run on time!

Don't ask me, I don't know of anybody who wants to move to the US.

What people get mad about is

1) The hypocrisy of a country created by immigrants, people obsessed with their "heritage" and calling themselves $country-American even when they have zero relation to said $country, now hating immigrants so much.

2) The brutality of the TSA and ICE against anybody they don't like. Do I really need to expand this point?

3) The arrogance of assuming that we all want to move there. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are not the centre of the world.

>but you are not the centre of the world.

11 CVNs and 6 flags says differently.

I think that should be fairly obvious - money + ease of traveling to. America is, relative to the world, perceived as quite wealthy. South America is full of places that are quite poor. Put the two side by side and many guys coming here speaking not a lick of English, and with no skills to boot, probably envision themselves coming home rich.

It's even relatively easy to put yourselves in their shoes. Columbia's GDP/capita is about $8k. In the US it's about $80k. Imagine how you'd feel if Canada had a GDP/capita of $800k. To many people it'd seem like a great idea to move there completely regardless of everything else about the country. People warning you that you'll end up mowing yards and painting houses while making barely enough to put a roof over your head. Bah! Nonsense! How can that be true on $800k/year!? Canada, here I come!

You can see this play out the same in places like Saudi Arabia. Not many place have the taste for their policies, religion, or much of anything else - yet they have a massive immigrant population, far higher than the US (as a percent) precisely because they pay stupidly high wages, often tax free, and have a low cost of living. You can easily become a dollar millionaire teaching English there if money is what you're after simply because you can easily save thousands of dollars a month. And if you get bored you can go watch somebody get crucified for witchcraft on a weekend now and again.