[quicklime]

It’s not that their employees are no longer needed, it’s that their product (jira) is no longer needed. When you’ve got AI agents taking bigger and bigger steps, you don’t need to micromanage people through jira as much anymore. Companies will likely switch to something lighter.

Jira regularly makes it to the top of lists of the most hated enterprise software, there’s definitely appetite in the market for a replacement.

Their stock has been taking a huge hit over the last few months because of this: https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/ai-is-eating-softw...

[mvdtnz]

This is developer wishcasting, to be frank. AI has not obviated the need for Jira and the idea that companies are moving to "something lighter" (what are they moving to?) has no basis in reality.

[quicklime]

Maybe you’re right, maybe you’re not. But if you’re right i think it’s more “investor wishcasting” than developers.

It really doesn’t matter what us devs think. Investors and industry leaders have decided that AI development is the way forward and we’re going to be managing teams of agents from now on. So we’re not going back to fine-grained task management in jira - what used to live in jira will now live markdown files, and largely be written and read by agents.

Higher level tasks might go into something like Linear, who knows.

If the investors are wrong, and this is all fantasy, then maybe people will go back to Jira, and Atlassian stocks will recover.

[toraway]

If I was controlling a swarm of 1000 agents who do all the dev work on my extremely complex enterprise SaaS product with tightly defined business logic I feel like I’d definitely want something like Jira to manage what they’re working on.

They could also pivot to developing something for that exact use case if it’s a bad fit and if there’s such clear demand.

But truly they’re just cost cutting here and AI is really neither here nor there.

[neal_jones]

I don’t know about established companies pivoting but new operations/projects don’t seem to default to Jira like they did previously. In my very non-scientific sample size, I’ve noticed a shift in the last 3-6 months

[mekael]

What is everyone shifting to, and at what scale? I can see moving to breaking down tasks in separate markdown docs for a small(ish) startup, but working at a company of more then say 1k or so requires a bit more infrastructure to deal with the cross cutting concerns (compliance/legal, pm's, leadership, etc). I'm at a reasonably sized F500 and Jira is the default, despite how much all of us despise it, mainly because it ticks all of the boxes for aforementioned areas.

[neal_jones]

Yea, I’m just consulting with small projects. A year ago Jira felt like the default, last month I learned about Linear.

I’ve just been surprised lately at how often it isn’t the first thing mentioned. I came from a Fortune 500 and Jira was mostly hated there as well. I still think its foothold is so big that it’ll be a long time before anyone goes through the effort to migrate. I’d personally rather live with it than try to replace it.