[mkehrt]

Voting is a civil right. We need to have a system that allows everyone who is allowed to vote, to vote. Many people don't have IDs and it is an onerous process to get one. Any system that requires IDs for voting suppresses these people's civil rights.

[zahlman]

> Many people don't have IDs and it is an onerous process to get one.

I have seen this constantly claimed, and never reasonably evidenced. It's also hard to believe the kind of American exceptionalism that supposedly causes these problems that everyone else can easily solve, despite an environment that is clearly heavily politically invested in solving it (because that also avoids the appearance of racism).

Meanwhile, American proponents of voter ID can readily find people including among the supposedly discriminated-against groups who will testify to the contrary.

[squeaky-clean]

Under the text of the proposed SAVE Act, drivers licenses or state ID's wouldn't be enough to count as a voting ID.

In Canada a drivers license is enough to vote.

[CJefferson]

Solving it in other countries often involved a standard id that everyone uses for many things, so it becomes a standard party of life. Many people in the US, from what I can tell, don't want that.

[mkehrt]

IDs cost money. How do people with no income get one if they don't have one? How do they get access to the necessary documents?

In any case, it's not on me to show that they shouldn't need ID. It's on the proponents of ID laws to do so, and they have utterly failed.

[lefra]

There's a trivial solution to this: IDs should be provided by the government for free.

[Muromec]

Last time I had to get the ID (sea floor countries in Europe), it was something like a hundred eurobucks, about 20 minutes of my time and two trips to the place during kinda sorta business hours. But then again, I have to use my 3 hour lunch breaks for something besides drinking beer.

[mkehrt]

So how would you have gotten it if you were homeless with no income?

[triceratops]

So make it a non-onerous process.