[throwaway27448]

> Good for serverless. Great for agents -> Anthropic purchase.

Surely nobody would use javascript for either yea? The weaknesses of the language are amplified in constrained environments: low certainty, high memory pressure, high startup costs.

[leonflexo]

I think Bun helps with the memory pressure, granted this is relative to V8. I'd pushback on the certainty with the reality that TS provides a significant drop in entropy while benefiting from what is a sweet spot between massive corpus size and low barrier for typical problem/use-case complexity. You'll never have the fastest product with JS, but you will always have good speed to market and be able to move quickly.

[messe]

> Surely nobody would use javascript for either yea?

It's probably the most popular language for serverless.

[throwaway27448]

I can't vouch for this behavior but obviously you can have a better serverless experience than writing lisp with the shittiest syntax invented by man

[pjmlp]

Only because the likes of Vercel and Netlify barely offer anything else on their free tiers.

When people go AWS, Azure, GCP,... other languages take the reigns.

[ovao]

Do you have any stats on the latter?

[pjmlp]

My own anecdote.

[dtj1123]

Claude CLI is based on bun. The dependency is so complete that Bun have now joined Anthropic.

[throwaway27448]

Claude CLI is not exactly a reference of usable software

[mikkupikku]

It's plenty usable. Most of the problems with the claude TUI stem from it being a TUI (no way to query the terminal emulator's displayed character grid), so you have to maintain your own state and try to keep them in sync, which more than a few TUIs will fail at at least sometimes, hence the popularity of conventions like Ctrl+L to redraw.

[throwaway27448]

I don't know what a TUI is (i'm guessing "terminal ui" as if the term CLI doesn't exist lmao) but yea, they could have put effort into their product and not forced people to use their atrocious ncurses interface which is like the worst of all worlds: text interface without the benefit of the shell, zero accessibility.

[mikkupikku]

CLI refers more to non-interactive programs used through a shell, programs like grep or or indeed the `claude` program in non-interactive modes. TUIs (text user interfaces) refers to interactive programs implemented in a terminal interface, what you call ncurses interfaces (but usually aren't implemented using ncurses these days.) They're GUIs in text, so TUIs.

Anyway, their decision to implement a TUI was definitely not done out of laziness nor even pragmatism. It was a fashion choice. A deliberate choice to put their product in the same vibes-space as console jockey hotshot unix pros who spit out arcane one liners to get shit done. They very easily could have asked claude to write itself a proper GUI interface which completely avoids all the pitfalls of TUIs and simplifies a lot of things they went out of their way to make work in a TUI. Support for drag-and-drop for instance, isn't something you'll find in many TUIs but they have it. They put care into making this TUI, the problem is that TUIs are kind of shit, and they certainly know that. They did it this way anyway effectively for marketting reasons.

[throwaway27448]

Hmm. You've given me a lot to think about. I appreciate the effort, and thank you for replying with it.