[xutopia]

For those wondering why this is a big deal it means that every developers attempting to run a development version of an iPhone, iPad or MacOS app cannot run their apps right now.

This is worse than Github being down and Apple Developers who pay 99$ a year for the privilege of writing software on this ecosystem aren't event getting a status page update: https://developer.apple.com/system-status/

[rendaw]

I had signed up for an Apple Developer account for "sign in with apple". I had auto-renew on. For the last month or so I was getting increasingly urgent emails about "Your Apple Developer Program membership expires in X days.". I logged into the website and there was a text block talking about a "renew" button that didn't exist on the page. According to reddit this is because mine is set to auto-renew so it's fine (why the text though, then?). A few days ago the subscription expired without auto-renewing. And I realized, maybe I don't need "sign in with apple".

They couldn't be trying harder to sink this ship.

[deminature]

All of Apple's software is rotting, from OSX to iOS to the developer tools. Massive bugs like the keyboard no longer working properly [1] are left unresolved for years. Whichever executive or engineering leader used to keep the quality bar high must have left or stopped paying attention. There also seems to be little culture of quality and ownership at the IC level.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hksVvXONrIo

[Terretta]

> And I realized, maybe I don't need "sign in with apple".

Developers don't have to have most things they put in the apps they ship. Customers, on the other hand...

As of a decade ago (2016) Apple already had 782 million total (including free) iCloud users, with 73% or 570 million of them authenticated to iCloud.

By 2023, Apple has 973 million paying subscribers to its services.

[ASalazarMX]

This is more about Apple predatory tactics within their walled garden than actual improvement of their services. Not paying Apple for additional storage means you can't even be sure your phone backup in iCloud is complete.

[ToucanLoucan]

Can confirm. Spent over an hour trying to figure out why I couldn't build to devices just to get frustrated, browse to HN, and here we are.

I'm looking for a job shoveling pig shit as we speak.

What genuinely pisses me off is that this isn't noted on their status page, nor is it indicated at all when you, I dunno, revoke and generate certs repeatedly trying to solve a problem you didn't fucking cause.

[shagie]

> I'm looking for a job shoveling pig shit as we speak.

https://www.goatops.com

[andyvanosdale]

It's definitely not worse than GitHub being down...

[_heimdall]

Depends on your priorities. Many developers don't pay for github access, and no one pays github 15-30% of gross sales.

[Brian_K_White]

And a lot more people use github for something at all and don't use Apple for anything at all.

The entire Apple universe is smaller than the world or even just the github part of the world, and the Apple developer universe is a tiny fraction of even just the Apple universe.

[Terretta]

> The entire Apple universe is smaller than the world or even just the github part of the world

As of 2023, GitHub had 100M active users total.

As of a decade ago (2016) Apple already had 782 million total iCloud users, with 73% or 570 million of them authenticated to iCloud.

By 2023, Apple has 973 million paying subscribers.

[cyberax]

You can still work locally if GH is down. You can even send patches by (gasp!) email for review if you want to do something ASAP.

Apple's servers being down makes it impossible to test your code on your _own_ devices.

[xethos]

> Apple's servers being down makes it impossible to test your code on your _own_ devices.

Which makes it sound an awful lot like they aren't actually your devices

[bathtub365]

Can’t you still test on simulator

[cyberax]

You can, but it's a simulator and it often doesn't behave like real devices. Doubly so if you want to do something media-heavy.

[monero-xmr]

The only thing worse is trying to get a denied Google Play review to change… considering you can’t even provide a comment to the reviewer objecting to your update