[datsci_est_2015]

> It's why "no AI allowed" is pointless … If you tell me AI isn't allowed because it writes bad code

I disagree that the rule is pointless, and your last point is a strawman. AI is disallowed because it’s the manner in which the would-be contributors are attempting to contribute to these projects. It’s a proxy rule.

Unfortunately for AI maximalists, code is more than just letters on the screen. There needs to be human understanding, and if you’re not a core contributor who’s proven you’re willing to stick around when shit hits the fan, a +3000 PR is a liability, not an asset.

Maybe there needs to be something like the MMORPG concept of “Dragon Kill Points (DKP)”, where you’re not entitled to loot (contribution) until you’ve proven that you give a shit.

[bombcar]

> Unfortunately for AI maximalists, code is more than just letters on the screen. There needs to be human understanding, and if you’re not a core contributor who’s proven you’re willing to stick around when shit hits the fan, a +3000 PR is a liability, not an asset.

This isn't necessarily true; I've seen some projects absorb a PR of roughly that size, and after the smoke tests and other standard development stuff, the original PR author basically disappeared.

It added a feature he wanted, he tested and coded it, and got it in.

[datsci_est_2015]

So because some projects can absorb some PRs of a certain size, all projects of should be able to absorb PRs of that same size?

This anecdotal argument is a dead end. The nuance is clear: not all software is the same, and not all edits to software are the same.

[ApolloFortyNine]

>So because some projects can absorb some PRs of a certain size, all projects of should be able to absorb PRs of that same size?

Your argument has nothing to do with AI and more to do with PR size and 'fire and forget' feature merges. That's what the commenter your responding to is pointing out.

[datsci_est_2015]

And my entire point is that LLM-generated feature requests are strongly correlated with high risk merge requests / pull requests, to which the commenter made no meaningful argument against. Instead the commenter chose to focus on the size of the PR and say “well I’ve seen it in the wild”.

The way to get around this without getting all the LLM influencer bros in an uproar is to come up with a system that allows open source libraries to evaluate the risk of a PR (including the author’s ability to explain wtf the code does) without referencing AI because apparently it’s an easily-triggered community.

[hombre_fatal]

Maybe you'll agree with another post I made about how UX/processes already fail us here (without LLMs) and they should be improved: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47324816

I think that's the only shot at progress since it can address the general problem instead of trying to special-case unenforceable rules that you hope the lowest quality people follow.

For example, a 3000+ line PR with no communication beforehand is already a low quality PR before AI. And it's one of the most annoying contributions to deal with since you have to basically tell them "sorry but all that work you did isn't acceptable". Yet they probably did all of it in earnest.

Presumably you already have a policy where you accept random PRs for small tweaks like doc fixes, but you don't want unsolicited PRs that make substantial changes. So a rule against AI doesn't change anything there.

And if you saw an uptick in large unsolicited PRs, then surely the solution is to update the process like disallow PRs that don't link to an issue.

[darkwater]

> and if you’re not a core contributor who’s proven you’re willing to stick around when shit hits the fan, a +3000 PR is a liability, not an asset.

And in the context of high-value contributors that GP was mentioning, they are never going to land a +3000 PR because they know there is going to be a human reviewer on the other side.

[pixl97]

>where you’re not entitled to loot (contribution) until you’ve proven that you give a shit.

So what metric are you going to try to use to prove yourself?

[sigseg1v]

Vibe coded slop is a 50 DKP minus of course