[ukkare]

Modern IDEs don’t improve the feedback loop much unfortunately, more often it’s quite the opposite. They are slow, bloated and distracting. Some of them might be good at renaming one’s variables as part of their refactoring offer, but otherwise the situation is quite often bleak.

SBSL+SLIME+Emacs usually put one in the flow state in no time. That’s what keeps amazing me and keeps me productive.

And then, Claude seems to be quite alright discussing tricky Common-Lisp-related stuff.

[packetlost]

> Modern IDEs don’t improve the feedback loop much unfortunately, more often it’s quite the opposite. They are slow, bloated and distracting.

This is an experience that is 15 years out of date.

[Bridged7756]

Slow and bloated, it is very much the current state. They're convenient, particularly because they're bloated and work OOTB, but go and try a decent sized project on 16gb RAM.

[brabel]

Hm I agree completely. Even as someone who appreciates SLIME and emacs. IntelliJ and even VS Code are excellent, even if heavy. Just use it on a beefy laptop and it won’t feel slow and bloated at all. If you find it distracting, it’s because you don’t know which settings to use to make them just right for your taste. Both can behave as Notepad if you want.

[vrighter]

even neovim with an lsp can be a very good experience, if one doesn't mind configuring it

[maleldil]

Or Helix, if you want a TUI with modal editing, but you do mind configuring it.

[packetlost]

It's fine to not like them, but calling them slow is just not really true for "modern" IDEs, that's a big part of what makes them modern.

[ukkare]

s/SBSL/SBCL/. pardon my mobile typing accuracy O:-)