[franciscop]

This was one of the very few advantages of moving from Linux => MacOS, that at least most of the software was beautiful and consistent by default. I'm saddened to see that this is not true anymore. Been holding the Tahoe upgrade, and might just keep my macbook air m1 much longer than originally intended because of this.

[mrcarrot]

I've started using Linux recently after not touching a desktop distro for 20-odd years, and I was surprised how good both Gnome and KDE look these days.

It certainly doesn't feel like there's a trillion-dollar-company difference between those two and Tahoe.

[chang1]

Same! I hadn't touched Linux since 2005-06. I've been trying out Niri and Noctalia. I've been pleasantly surprised how close I'm able to get to match most of what I do on a Mac.

I haven't had this much fun with computers in years. It has certainly helped with my Tahoe grief.

[eastbound]

Beautiful, it’s nice, but the polished user experience was the ultimate argument.

- Raising the lid of the laptop and the base wouldn’t stick and fall off on the desk,

- A single-button click,

- A Cmd+C to copy and Ctrl+C for the interruption 7 in the terminal,

But now you have to configure that, yes, activate the right-click; yes, activate the three-finger click (wtf, 3 fingers); yes, activate the swipe-across-desktops on the magic mouse, all those items were selling points, so they should have studied the best behavior and implemented it by default on all deployments. But that requires studies, aesthetics, and a taste that only Steeve Jobs had, otherwise everything becomes an option. That’s right, I’m going to paraphrase Jobs’ argument against the 1990ies Microsoft:

The problem with Apple is they have no taste.

[ant6n]

What I find confusing and unhelpful is how The Apple OS deals with windows. Say if you have 4 safari windows, 3 excel windows, 5 window word documents and a bunch of terminals spread across a bunch of desktops. To me, I have clearly conceptionalized different work streams into desktops.

Apple doesn’t understand and respect that.

Firstly, alt-tab doesn’t consider windows, it considers apps. So if you have multiple browser windows or word windows open, you can’t alt-tab between them. It’s totally confusing. So I install an app just to get the normal alt-tab behavior of other OSs, to alt-tab between windows (mine is called alt-tab, and it’s a bit buggy and slow, I think they all are)

Next, Apple does not respect the multiple desktop boundary. If I click on the safari icon in the dock, it will switch to some seemingly random safari window in some other desktop. If I close any window, it will also run off to some other window of the same app in some other desktop (who came up with that behavior?) when I dismiss an outlook notification, it will run of to another desktop to look at outlook (actually I think this one is Microsoft’s fault, but Apple could probably do something about this one).

The result is that while working, I have trouble staying on the desktop I’m working on, I constantly am getting sent off to some other random desktop, and have to find where I am and where I was.

There must be a better, more productive way to manage windows and desktops.

(Also what’s up with the autocorrect, I had to retype every instance of “I think” in this message, because it insists it should be “o think”)

[marxisttemp]

> Firstly, alt-tab

I assume you mean cmd-tab.

>doesn’t consider windows, it considers apps. So if you have multiple browser windows or word windows open, you can’t alt-tab between them. It’s totally confusing.

You use cmd-tilde to switch between windows.

>So I install an app just to get the normal alt-tab behavior of other OSs, to alt-tab between windows (mine is called alt-tab, and it’s a bit buggy and slow, I think they all are)

You don’t need an app.

>Next, Apple does not respect the multiple desktop boundary. If I click on the safari icon in the dock, it will switch to some seemingly random safari window in some other desktop. If I close any window, it will also run off to some other window of the same app in some other desktop (who came up with that behavior?) when I dismiss an outlook notification, it will run of to another desktop to look at outlook (actually I think this one is Microsoft’s fault, but Apple could probably do something about this one). The result is that while working, I have trouble staying on the desktop I’m working on, I constantly am getting sent off to some other random desktop, and have to find where I am and where I was. There must be a better, more productive way to manage windows and desktops.

This is a configurable setting.

>(Also what’s up with the autocorrect, I had to retype every instance of “I think” in this message, because it insists it should be “o think”)

This is a configurable setting.

[aequitas]

>>Next, Apple does not respect the multiple desktop boundary... > This is a configurable setting.

If you mean the "When switching to an application, switch to a Space with open windows for the application" settings, this works only partially. When clicking the dock icon its behaviour depends on if there are windows in your current Space (virtual desktop) or not. And don't get me started on where macOS decides new windows should go.

[GuinansEyebrows]

> You use cmd-tilde to switch between windows.

the approach is still pretty different in macOS compared to most other WM behaviors, namely: cmd-tilde cycles windows within the currently-open application, and cmd-tab cylces through applications. in most other environments, alt-tab will cycle windows across all open applications (and win-tab does something like cmd-tab on macOS but somehow horribly).

[ant6n]

But the worst part: cmd-tilde cycles, whereas alt-tab on all other OS is a stack of most recently used windows.

[Ultimatt]

I am mildly shocked after almost two decades of Mac use I never came across cmd+tilde thanks a lot!

[nehal3m]

I see this comment often and I usually pipe up to say that if you don’t have a US ANSI keyboard it can feel unintuitive. You can remap the hotkey to Option + Tab in those cases, easier to get used to.

[jaffa2]

Next try CMD+H to hide instead of minimising, like in Windows Land.

[ant6n]

It doesn’t go to recently used, it CYCLES through the windows.to get to most recent used, you need to cycle through all the windows of the app. Who came up with that!?

[out_of_protocol]

> This is a configurable setting.

Give me pointers please. Getting same headaches every day. Clicking on icon in dock, closing some window produces random results every time, across many, many apps

[vbezhenar]

> - A Cmd+C to copy and Ctrl+C for the interruption 7 in the terminal,

I really miss that in Linux. That said, some terminals implement smart Ctrl+C which will interrupt if there's no text selected and copy otherwise. But terminal I use (Gnome Console) does not, so I have to press Ctrl+Shift+C to copy text and then I press that in browser and everything exploded because it opens developer tools. So annoying.

[1718627440]

I also used Ctrl-Shift-C for a long time, but then I learned that the CUA keys for copy and pasting are Ctrl/Shift-Ins and that is far more convenient and works consistently even in the old Windows terminal in a VM.

[dagi3d]

I am in the same boat. I would like to buy a new m5, but being forced to keep Tahoe is preventing me to get it until they fix this clusterfuck

[nullpoint420]

Modern Gnome on Fedora feels like MacOS in a good way. Consistent design

[bityard]

I hear KDE Plasma is nice this time of year. Computers should adapt to fit the user, not the other way around.