[ltning]

Why are we even discussing this before the theft problem has been solved? Or the energy consumption?

If anything, there needs to be studies done on

- the drop in creative, novel output from actual people (due to theft and loss of jobs)

- the energy cost per pax in relevant industries, pre/post LLMs being adopted

[mikkupikku]

Because I am long past pretending to give a shit about intellectual property when the corps don't, or caring about the energy expenditure of my hobby when all the car guys don't, and really when it all comes down to brass tacks I think the technology must be judged by what it can do for me, not according to some misguided principles that don't actually serve my interests in the grand scheme of things (IP) or quasi-ideological matters like how much every I'm morally entitled to use. Screw all of that, frankly I file it all under cope that's used by people who want to go back to the old methods to justify their decision to ignore and not learn one of the most amazing technologies created during our lifetimes. I suggest you get real, for all its faults the tools work too well for us to turn back the clock on any of this. This stuff isn't going to blow over so you should be learning to make the best of it. My two cents.

[ltning]

The issue with creative and novel output from people is neither about intellectual property nor energy, though. So even someone who has nothing (personal) to lose by adopting these techs should be able to reflect on how that will make things look 5, 10, 20 years from now.

And I'm not talking about climate or poor starving artists here. But of course, if everyone thinks like you seem to do we might just give up on having a livable planet in 50 years. Or any significant scientific or artistic progress.

[mikkupikku]

Yeah that's nice, but I don't care and it's not going to stop this train. The future I envision coming is one where even local models are sufficiently capable to give common people the ability to control their own computers in a way that previously would have required them to hire a team of professionals, or to devote years of their life to study. Frontier models aren't quite good enough yet for normies to use in this way, let alone local models, but this stuff is all still very new and there's a lot of competition to improve it. I think we'll get there, and in any case the upsides are big enough already to squash all the whining objections. You can't stop this tech, all you can do is stop yourself from benefiting from it while others do.

[PunchyHamster]

But the drop of original human created output will be worse for you. Even if you are fine with consuming AI slop the quality of it will go down with worse inputs

[mikkupikku]

Slop custom made for me individually, on demand to fit my individual personal needs like a glove, is the dream.

Also, this slop is substantially slicker and more polished than the software I would have made myself, for myself. Judge away, but when I write something myself, for myself, I take short cuts and find little excuses to give myself less work. XDG complaint config? That can wait... Animations? Pfft, skip it. Tool tips on every interactive element? That'll never happen. But with a coding agent doing my bidding, these niceties become realities.