[alephnerd]

> Meta MLE hiring

> from one of the UCSD labs

That's why.

For bleeding edge R&D, we still hire domestically because the capacity, network, and capital remains in the US, but these roles will overwhelmingly be in the Bay or NYC as I mentioned above, and will overwhelmingly recruit from a handful of top programs with an established track record.

Most HNers are median or below median (that's how medians work because life is a Gaussian distribution) so a large portion will be negatively impacted.

Sam who did his BSCS at Michigan State and Sandeep who did his MSCS without a thesis at SUNY New Platz will be negatively impacted, but Sarah who did her BSCS at UT Austin or Sarita who did her MSCS with thesis at UIUC will be hired.

Similarly for L1/2, it ain't happening unless you have a proven track record at a US comparable office like MSRL Bangalore, but that candidate would have ended up at a top CS program doing an MS/PhD anyhow and have a relatively easy path to immigrate to the US.

Basically, the same funda that exists in India about university tiers for hiring has returned to the US, but a lot of HNers aren't ready for this level of competition.

The difference between Kamal who is slogging at a mid-level SWE at Infosys in Indore and Karl who's working as a SWE at Cisco's NC office is marginal - both are going to be made structurally unemployed, with Kamal's work going to be automated with a CodeGen LLM in the hands of a junior SWE, and Karl's job being moved to a Cisco GCC in India, Eastern Europe, or LatAm.

The only way either can protect themselves is to find a way to end up at a top employer in a major hub.

Edit: can't reply

> What do you mean

Basically, it's best for all of us (be us SWEs, PMs, VCs, or SEs) to assume that we are average or below average, as that allows us to think strategically and defensively, thus allowing us to reduce our risk and take any advantage that we can.

That requires a level of competitiveness and strategic thinking that some may find distasteful, but it's the only way you can survive in the industry long term.

It doesn't mean hurt or negatively impact anyone always, but it requires one to be realistic and recognize that we are not in a stag-hunt but a Hobbesian trap.

[eddbuildsthings]

> Most HNers are median or below median (that's how medians work because life is a Gaussian distribution)

What do you mean?

[porridgeraisin]

My point was that H1B hiring still seems strong. Despite the fees and stuff.

Otherwise yeah what you're saying makes sense.

[alephnerd]

It depends on the tier of H1B hiring. I think you study/studied at an INI so your peer group has more in common with Sarah and Sarita instead of Sam, Sandeep, Karl, or Kamal.

In a lot of cases, Sandeep used to be Kamal, and these are the Desis on H1Bs or L1s who are getting laid off or forced to consider moving back to India, the UK, the EU, Australia, etc.

[porridgeraisin]

Tracks, I guess. MSDS@UCSD, MSA@GT, MSCS@CMU all got jobs at meta, IBM, amazon. First two in the bay, third one as well I think. MSCS@NCSU got an internship at amazon but did not get full time yet. MSCS@NEU also did not get anything yet. CS@Columbia did not get anything, but EE@Columbia (semicon stuff) got one in bell labs NJ.

Although naturalization is pretty difficult, I guess it's still a good deal to return at 30 with 4cr starting wealth.

[alephnerd]

> Although naturalization is pretty difficult, I guess it's still a good deal to return at 30 with 4cr starting wealth.

Yep. That's what Chinese nationals in the US began doing in the early 2010s when China was developmentally similar to India today - the cost/reward ratio diminished due to the GC backlog.