[SigmundA]

UTF-8 is a relatively new thing in MSSQL and had lots of issues initially, I agree it's better and should have been implemented in the product long ago.

I have avoided it and have not followed if the issues are fully resolved, I would hope they are.

[kstrauser]

> UTF-8 is a relatively new thing in MSSQL and had lots of issues initially, I agree it's better and should have been implemented in the product long ago.

Their insistence on making the rest of the world go along with their obsolete pet scheme would be annoying if I ever had to use their stuff for anything ever. UTF-8 was conceived in 1992, and here we are in 2026 with a reasonably popularly database still considering it the new thing.

[da_chicken]

I would be more critical of Microsoft choosing to support UCS-2/UTF-16 if Microsoft hadn't completed their implementation of Unicode support in the 90s and then been pretty consistent with it.

Meanwhile Linux had a years long blowout in the early 2000s over switching to UTF-8 from Latin-1. And you can still encounter Linux programs that choke on UTF-8 text files or multi-byte characters 30 years later (`tr` being the one I can think of offhand). AFAIK, a shebang is still incompatible with a UTF-8 byte order mark. Yes, the UTF-8 BOM is both optional and unnecessary, but it's also explicitly allowed by the spec.

[downsplat]

It's not really a Linux vs MS thing though. When Unicode first came out, it was 16-bit, so all the early adopters went with that. That includes Java, Windows, JavaScript, the ICU lintaries, LibreOffice and its predecessors, .NET, the C language (remember wchar_t?), and probably a few more.

Utf8 turned out to be the better approach, and it's slowly taking over, but it was not only Linu/Unix that pushed it ahead, the entire networking world did, especially http. Props also to early perl for jumping straight to utf8.

Still... Utf8's superiority was clear enough by 2005 or so, MS could and should have seen it by then instead of waiting until 2019 to add utf8 collations to its database. Funny to see Sql Server falling behind good old Mysql on such a basic feature.

[wvenable]

Database systems are inherently conservative -- once you add something you have to support it forever. Microsoft went hog wild on XML in the database and I haven't seen it used in over a decade now.

[recursive]

In 92 it was a conference talk. In 98 it was adopted by the IETF. Point probably stands though.

[swasheck]

the data types were introduced with SQL Server 7 (1998) so i’m not sure it’s accurate to state that it’s considered as the new thing.

[SigmundA]

UTF-8 was introduced in SQL Server 2019:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/sql-server/what-s-new-...

[swasheck]

thanks. now i see the point that the poster was making.