[0xTJ]

Not shocking they seem to have pretty low professional standards. I recently had a friend travelling from the US back to Canada get suddenly thoroughly frisked without warning after the scanners showed some object near her thighs. She didn't have anything but clothes on her body on below the waist. The TSA agent spent time groping around, convinced there was something, then after there couldn't possibly have been an object under her clothes, accepted that (paraphrasing) "there must have been an issue with the scanner".

She called her partner (who I was with at the time) afterwards, upset and shaken by the experience. @TSA in one of the NYC airports: If you're not going to get consent to grope girls, at least let them know that you're about to do it.

[Grazester]

It has been my experience that they would call a female agent when they needed to pat down another female. Has this changed?

[0xTJ]

It was a female agent, that doesn't mean that it's okay to start groping someone without warning.

[lokar]

Yeah, IME they recite a script (I’ve heard it many times) where they explain why they are doing it, what it will involve, and how you can refuse (in that case, it would probably mean not flying that day). And offer to do it in private.

[Chris2048]

You phrased it as "If you're not going to get consent to grope girls", so why is it relevant that she is female?

[0xTJ]

Mostly to make a point; more people are likely to care about it not being okay if it's phrased that way. (Something, something, toxic masculinity, "suck it up tough guy, can't handle a little pat-down?")

The fact that the TSA agent a woman doesn't automatically make someone else comfortable with whatever liberties the agent feels like taking. It's still likely worse if it's a man doing it, but sharing a gender isn't an excuse for the agent to do whatever they want.

[Chris2048]

So you think that's a toxic attitude, but cater to it anyway? It's like saying "I mention she's whites because racists might not care otherwise".

[orwin]

> It's like saying "I mention she's whites because racists might not care otherwise".

Which is a very effective technique.

[0xTJ]

That's not really an equivalent statement. In general, women do face more harassment and unwanted touching, which often doesn't translate to the "white" example you give.

[vkou]

> "there must have been an issue with the scanner".

That's way better than them asking you twenty times why the scanner went off.

I don't know, I didn't build the fucking thing.