[shevy-java]

> But, let's contrast it to Java, which pretty much is in the same boat as a modern Smalltalk. A very large core system of packages, classes, and methods.

Java is used in many places. Smalltalk is not. The whole comparison falls short due to this already. TIOBE ranks Java #4 right now, which is not too bad, even though TIOBE also sucks.

[pjmlp]

Only because big Smalltalk shops like IBM, decided to pivot into Java, to this day Eclipse keeps many artifacts form its Visual Age roots.

[NuclearPM]

Popularity is irrelevant here.