[wepple]

Batshit crazy?

3 years ago LLMs couldn’t solve 7x8.

Now they’re building complex applications in one shot, solving previously unsolved math and science problems.

Heck, one company built a (prototype but functional) web browser

And you say it’s crazy that in the future it’ll be able to build a mail app or OS?

[ezst]

JFYI, LLMs still can't solve 7x8, and well possibly never will. A more rudimentary text processor shoves that into a calculator for consumption by the LLM. There's a lot going on behind the scenes to keep the illusion flying, and that lot is a patchwork of conventional CS techniques that has nothing to do with cutting edge research.

To many interested in actual AI research, LLMs are known as the very flawed and limiting technique they are, and the increasing narrative disconnect between this and the table stakes where they are front and center of every AI shop, carrying a big chunk of the global GDP on its back, is annoying and borderline scary.

[stratos123]

This is false. You can run a small open-weights model in ollama and check for yourself that it can multiply three-digit numbers correctly without having access to any tools. There's even quite a bit of interpretability research into how exactly LLMs multiply numbers under the hood. [1]

When an LLM does have access to an appropriate tool, it's trained to use the tool* instead of wasting hundreds of tokens on drudgery. If that's enough to make you think of them as a "flawed and limiting technique", consider instead evaluating them on capabilities there aren't any tools for, like theorem proving.

* Which, incidentally, I wouldn't describe as invoking a "more rudimentary text processor" - it's still the LLM that generates the text of the tool call.

[1] https://transformer-circuits.pub/2025/attribution-graphs/bio...

[bigstrat2003]

> Heck, one company built a (prototype but functional) web browser

No, they built something which claimed to be a web browser but which didn't even compile. Every time someone says "look an LLM did this impressive sounding thing" it has turned out to be some kind of fraud. So yeah, the idea that these slop machines could build an OS is insane.

[wepple]

I personally observe AI creation phenomenally good code, much better than I can write. At insane speed, with minimal oversight. And today’s AI is the worst we will ever have.

Progress in AI can easily be measured by the speed at which the goalposts move - from “it can’t count” to “yeah but the entire browser it wrote didnt compile in the CI pipeline”