[kefs]

Did you find it shocking when the Prime Minister of a nation apologized directly for the ridiculous abuse of power and error in execution?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/national/news/video.cfm?c_id=15030...

[res0nat0r]

Any raid being apologized for by the PM has nothing to do with his previous exploits which he has already been indicted and prosecuted for.

[radicaldreamer]

Okay, so if he's been prosecuted for it and served his time, then he's fulfilled his debt to society, no?

[danielweber]

It means "he's a self-made man" is a claim which needs to be shot down, and that's the claim that was being shot down.

[lmm]

How so? If he committed some crime, got convicted, did the time, then started a business and bootstrapped to success, how is that not a self-made man? A great many successful entrepreneurs (Branson comes immediately to mind) were criminals before they were successful.

[PostOnce]

Some people find it hard to understand that it's possible for an investigation to be mishandled and the person being investigated to still be a criminal.

[DanBC]

No, because rule of law is important even when you're dealing with criminals.

I'm not quite sure of the point you're trying to make?