[autoexec]

I'm starting to suspect I might be cynical. I was pretty impressed at the "1,000,000 cigarette butts that I removed from the environment" but I couldn't help but think "moved into what?" which brought this (https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM) to mind:

   [Interviewer:] Into another environment….

   [Senator Collins:] No, no, no. it’s been towed beyond the environment, it’s not in the environment

   [Interviewer:] Yeah, but from one environment to another environment.

   [Senator Collins:] No, it’s beyond the environment, it’s not in an environment. It has been towed beyond the environment.

   [Interviewer:] Well, what’s out there?

   [Senator Collins:] Nothing’s out there…

Also, I couldn't help but wonder if he was removing trash at a faster rate than it was being added. Picking up litter is a good thing certainly, but we really need to get people to stop creating it in the first place. Even properly disposed of all that trash is a massive problem, but I'd love to see more effort getting people to clean up after themselves. A very long time ago I'd see PSAs with owls imploring us to "Give a hoot" and fake indians crying. Was that helpful? Does that kind of thing even exist today? Now that nobody watches TV are they pushed at kids on tiktok?

[OkayPhysicist]

Anti littering messaging works remarkably well. Littering's the kind of antisocial activity where the benefit to the individual are marginal, maybe you save a bit of energy holding on to your trash until the next trashcan, but the penalties are almost non-existent, as practically no-one gets cited for littering.

A clear reminder not to litter mostly just signals to people that other people care, but that works remarkably well.

I belonged to a service org in college that required each member do like 30 hours of community service a semester. Mostly we did stuff like working at food pantries and the like, but if you didn't have time in your schedule, you could go down to the beach and wetlands and pickup trash. Perhaps not as high-impact as feeding the hungry, but it was something. Well, after a few of these trips I realized that a significant fraction of the trash we were picking up was styrofoam food containers, which was weird, since California had drastically cut back on styrofoam by that point (though the total ban only came into effect this year).

Turned out that there were exactly 2 restaurants anywhere near the wetlands that used sytrofoam food containers, so a buddy and I took it upon ourselves to go talk to them. Ideally I would talk them out of using styrofoam, but at the very least it would be good to let them know that they're single-handedly fucking up this nice slice of nature.

One of the places straight-up stopped using styrofoam altogether. Both were perfectly happy to let us hang up a sign basically saying "Hey, we collectively spend 200 hours a year trying to clean up these wetlands, please don't litter".

Food containers from those restaurants all but completely disappeared from the wetlands after that. People tend to do the right thing, but sometimes they just need a little push.

[jezzamon]

Re the environment thing, practical engineering has a good video on landfills. There's a bunch of engineering that goes into making waste less harmful https://practical.engineering/blog/2024/9/3/the-hidden-engin...

[fusslo]

> Also, I couldn't help but wonder if he was removing trash at a faster rate than it was being added.

I wonder if people are less likely to litter if they don't see any other litter already on the ground

[autoexec]

I'm fairly certain that it helps. Obviously someone has to start, but when it looks like no one cares others are more likely to contribute to the problem or worse assume that leaving trash there is what's expected of them. The Cart Narc guy has observed a similar trend with shopping carts. If somebody puts one where it doesn't belong it can attract others. You'd think that if people were going to be lazy and leave their carts in the parking lot instead of returning them properly they'd just leave them near their own cars, but some people will go out of their way to put theirs next to other carts even when it's still clearly not where they belong.

[c22]

It looks like he might keep them in his own local environment for photo documentary / artistic purposes.

[autoexec]

He's got to have a decent bit of land to keep it all which makes it all the more impressive that he found all that trash in his city.

[7777777phil]

Classified multi-year contracts and government-funded compute are hard to walk away from when you're burning cash at that rate. Defense economics always do this to companies. Same thing that consolidated the primes in the 90s.

Wrote about why the door only opens one way: https://philippdubach.com/posts/when-ai-labs-become-defense-...