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by kelseyfrog 100 days ago
How many kids do you have?
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The average family size has never been smaller in the history of humanity, and yet only now do people feel so entitled to ask others not even in the same family to bear the responsibility of raising their children. I wonder why.
Two. It's trivial to set up mac-based allowlists on your router as well as domain allowlists. Use separate networks for devices kids have. Install root certs and log their activity to an llm to look for suspicious sites or content. Enroll their mobile devices in device management.

We have all the solutions necessary for this. Why implement something that gives away pii to everyone all the time for free?

The only problem? It's not trivial. The overwhelming majority of people don't have the technical literacy to do the same. That's why this idea is dead on arrival.

"They should" is not a viable response. This is a public health problem and people are legitimately saying the equivalent of, "just don't get sick."

I don't understand. Everything I mentioned one can learn with a little searching online in an evening. Do people really not have the self reflection necessary to ask themselves how they can go about solving a problem they have?
Yes. Regular everyday people are not capable of doing this due to tech illiteracy.

People are not saying to themselves, "I could figure this out and I'm choosing not to." They don't even know it exists.

Even if they did know local filtering exists, it wouldn't be effective. We have influenze vaccines and still, with their own lives on the line, hundreds of thousands of people die from the flu. The inconvenience is showing up at a Walgreens or CVS. They can't do it. We're expecting folks to understand mac and domain based allow lists?

Let me ask you this, if you asked your parents how they would secure their network for their grandchildren, that they would accomplish this solution on their own?

I would expect them to tell me to do it. But also I expect to have device management on my children's devices such that if their traffic isn't proxied through my proxy, they won't be able to send or receive packets.

The kids could use the grandparents' computers. They could also just stick a USB with Ubuntu on it and live boot to get around the proxy restrictions unless the bios is locked.

I expect kids to get around the controls. That's how they'll learn. I don't expect to have to descend into full surveillance because Jimmy can't be bothered to solve his own problems.

It sounds like you're volunteering to secure everyone else's devices because that's how you solved the problem of grandparents not knowing how to do it themselves.