[bzzzt]

That's right. It's not the native Apple apps that are the problem. Safari, iWork, Logic, even Final Cut run perfectly fine in 8Gb if you adjust your expectations (if you want to process 8K video you probably need more).

It's third-party apps like Chrome or Teams that eat gigabytes.

[lostlogin]

> Teams

You’re already sad if your using Teams, suffering is part the experience.

Last week I met someone who likes Teams. That’s a first for me.

[moduspol]

It's probably not that bad if you ONLY use it for video calls and you've never used Slack before.

[bzzzt]

Still needs 2Gb of memory for a video call though.

[crazygringo]

Chrome runs on 8 GB perfectly fine, like a dream.

I don't see too many students running Teams.

[pooortal]

Yes Chrome easily eats up 5+ gb ram when having the azure admin portal open in a tab. Whose fault is that though?

[rbanffy]

Let’s see… if the same problem happens under Safari, then it’s Microsoft fault. If the problem goes away when Safari runs the Azure admin portal, it’s a Google issue.

Developers should have laptops with 1366x768 screens, 4GB if RAM, and dual-core Intel Atom processors. We keep giving them server grade hardware and expect them to empathise with the muggles that run their software on potatoes.

[epistasis]

> Developers should have laptops with 1366x768 screens, 4GB if RAM, and dual-core Intel Atom processors.

I used to support federal laws towards this end. However, now I think the advocacy needs to be updated for the era of LLMs, as developers can just let the testing chug away and come back later. (Note: I did not actually support such laws.)

[rbanffy]

For governments and services governments delegate to third parties, being usable by low-end machines is extremely important.

I always have to point out government services should not be designed to be efficient, but fair and universal. After they are fair and universal, THEN you can make them efficient, just as long as you don’t break fairness and universality.

[hypercube33]

Make that 1 or 2gb of ram, a 32gb emmc drive and a single core 2 thread original Atom

[rbanffy]

Or a single-core Raspberry Pi with 512MB and an SDCard ;-)

[Geof25]

Testing should be on such laptops. Development, especially in things like xcode or visual studio would be insane

[rbanffy]

That would force vendors to make Visual Studio and Xcode same ;-)

[bzzzt]

Clearly not Apple's.