[hzwanip]

What OP wrote seems correct:

> ECH basically kills TLS fingerprinting as a bot detection signal

They are not talking about fingerprinting in general. Please elaborate how else TLS fingerprinting can be done.

[szmarczak]

I am talking about TLS fingerprinting, not JS fingerprinting.

> Please elaborate how else TLS fingerprinting can be done.

By doing everything as it is right now?

[hzwanip]

How would you (an arbitrary web server) fingerprint a TLS connection if the Client Hello is encrypted?

[conradludgate]

The website owner (or cloudflare in this case) has the keys to decrypt the client hello. That's necessary for routing information.

[hzwanip]

You're right, sorry! I got confused myself.

[szmarczak]

By decrypting it? I don't think you know how TLS, or E2E works in general. ISP doesn't perform the fingerprinting, the server does.

[hzwanip]

Of course! My bad, thanks for engaging.