[Bridged7756]

Our job is done for. We will be shown the door, and everyone will rejoice. Everyone will live in a happy world where you'll doddle a house and Claude will build you a next generation SaaS that makes you millions. Managers will do the job of engineers, by just telling LLMs to make an app or to make money or something. C-suites will have agents doing the jobs of managers, and CEOs will run entire companies with a Claude $200 subscription alone. It is truly the next thing, and the future, probably happening in the next 2 years, or in 2 years in 2 years.

Yesterday I had an interview, but I got rejected. They decided to go for a manager with a Claude subscription who vibe-coded a weather app.

This is the end of software engineering.

[ramon156]

I got laid off at a job where this applied, then at another company got rejected because they cancelled the position altogether to use Agentic Coding by Microsoft instead.

Then I joined a small consultancy that just lets me build however I want. There's no reviews, no sprint reviews, no evaluation. They trust that you work on what is important.

While this is a very messy and unmaintained workflow, it is a lot nicer and I am honestly wondering if Scrum is even necessary when you're only with 4-5 devs. Maybe it is to streamline newcomers? Because it took a bit of time to gather all the project info, but after that it was pretty relaxing.

I don't know, the market has shifted so much that I feel like I should probably be contempt with what I have.

[azangru]

> it is a lot nicer and I am honestly wondering if Scrum is even necessary when you're only with 4-5 devs.

Scrum is so woefully misunderstood.

It makes sense for small teams (yes, those 4-5 devs), if — and that's a big if — they work together on a single product. It is intended for developers to coordinate with each other, and also provides feedback loops for reality checks and for improvement of collaboration.

If those 4-5 developers work independently from one another, don't have to coordinate, don't need business to tell them what, out of various options, is the most important thing to work on right now, and don't need feedback from users to correct them along the way, then of course they don't need scrum.

[habinero]

Yeah, it's basically just formalized rules for communication, and I've been on teams where it worked great

I think it's awful when people follow it slavishly -- you chuck out anything that doesn't fit your team. And yeah, in the example you gave, it's a terrible fit lol

I have some stakeholders that do not know what they want and can't define it, so in desperation I dragged them thorough making fucking user stories -- user stories --and oh my god they loved it lol

They immediately started trying to apply it to everything too. I have regrets.

[mzl]

In my view, Scrum is a way to force dysfunctional teams to have some process, it is not useful for a team that is already delivering and working in a samll-a agile manner.

[ap99]

If you were to write down a guide on how to avoid team dysfunction, it would get a name or maybe an acronym.

If it worked someone would say, hey let's use this in more places.

If it worked really well others would say these aren't guidelines they're dogma.

Now we have scrum 2.0.

[dormento]

A wise person once said "scrum turns dysfunctional teams into average teams. It also turns highly-motivated teams into average teams".

[AlexandrB]

Scrum is management consulting companies trying to keep their job by turning something that would make them irrelevant (the agile manifesto) into something that requires tons of billable hours and useless qualifications like "scrum master". Seems to be working great for them.

[SAI_Peregrinus]

The agile manifesto is about how to run a consulting company. "Customer collaboration over contract negotiation" is not something non-contracting software teams have to worry about, customer collaboration is important but there's no contract negotiation to prioritize it over.

[malnourish]

I've worked at three very different companies where at least one member of the software team had to essentially negotiate for their project's budget and scope (and tacitly their jobs in some cases).

[jpfromlondon]

You're right, but you're going to be inundated with

"but real scrum has never been tried" types.

[p_v_doom]

> "but real scrum has never been tried" types.

Im one of these people. I do think for real that what most companies do is basically project management that wears the skin of scrum, and in most organizations beyond a certain size having that type of agile work and flexibility is basically impossible.

[brailsafe]

Scrum is just one of the early signs for me to start looking for a new job

[wiseowise]

Using just one $200 Claude subscription? What is that? 2024? Managers? Get on my level, son. It’ll be one man unicorns, new breed of CEOs running army of openclaws. I’ll have you fucking know that I’ve just launched “build me a next unicorn” prompt and 1000 agents have been running nonstop for a week. See me at the top of the AngelList, chump. Though I’ve probably won’t see you while you collect your unemployment check and food stamps.

[kekqqq]

> Get on my level, son. It’ll be one man unicorns, new breed of CEOs running army of openclaws. I’ll have you fucking know that I’ve just launched “build me a next unicorn” prompt and 1000 agents have been running nonstop for a week.

Woah, what is that 2026? Emulating the economy using human flesh is obsolete. Just emulate the entire C-suite with the fleet of agents in the latent space of LLMs running on the orbital datacenters, powered by the same solar energy that used to keep humans warm.

[xantronix]

I cannot tell if this is a genuine sentiment or parody; in this space, the two coincide with one another so frequently these days that it's hard to tell.

Please don't give up. This too shall pass. The bill for the worst excesses in this great experiment will come due. I can imagine the need to reckon with the growing technical and cognitive debt in a responsible way will be an existential issue for some enterprises. Somebody will need to step in and be the adults in the room.

[bitwize]

> by just telling LLMs to make an app or to make money or something.

Again, that is literally OpenAI's business model: burn money building ChatGPT until it's smart enough to tell them how to be profitable.

"That's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off for 'em."

[intelVISA]

I appreciate this is satire, or marketing, but I'll engage: in this scenario how is the SaaS generating millions if anyone can just prompt their own?

[zombot]

Apparently it never occurs to the Believers to ask this exact question. They will pay an expensive subscription to vibe-earn money without working.

[gedy]

One of my LinkedIn connections is at a place where the leadership brags about how easy it is to prompt their features. I'm like: are you f-ing stupid?

[array_key_first]

The SaaS comes with a complimentary blow job.

In the future, prostitutes no longer work the street corner and you no longer roll up. No no, prostitutes vibe code apps nobody asks for with subtle hints in it that they're offering their services. Then, clients buy it as a proxy.

Law enforcement isn't prepared for this!

[dmonitor]

I don't see this happening. Even today, I can place a bet on a prediction market that nobody women will give me a blow job tonight, a lady of the night then places a counter bet wagering that I will, and shows up at my house.

Services in individual apps are a thing of the past.

[krzat]

The end game is Zuckerberg sitting alone in his bunker and vibe-ceo'ing all of facebook.

[zombot]

He'll also have to be vibe-eating because nobody is vibe-growing food any more. Everybody's too busy vibe-vacationing.

[sdevonoes]

Simply put in your resume that you are a manager? And learn how to vibe code a weather app?

Wouldn’t be the first time I “lie” in my CV about my skills (“lie” in quotes because I can learn pretty fast; I know the fundamentals)

[BoneShard]

Don't do that if you're in the US. I was laid off and finally got two offers, both places ran a background check and had all the information - my previous title, precise start - end time, etc. I've talked to one hiring manager and he told me that they had a lot of offers revoked due to failing these background checks recently.

[alchemism]

Fake It ‘Till You Make It.

[tehlike]

can't tell if you are serious or not.

[MrScruff]

It should be obvious, particularly from this line:

> It is truly the next thing, and the future, probably happening in the next 2 years, or in 2 years in 2 years.

[HardCodedBias]

"This is the end of software engineering."

Likely. The models have to improve, but the trend has been strong.

I have the misfortune to be required to use Gemini at Google, so I am not seeing it as clearly as others, but indeed the trend seems real.

[gedy]

Maybe, but why have (frankly not that intelligent/logical) PMs doing dev work vs the dev/eng types being the PMs with AI help?

[donkers]

Way to dunk on a whole group of people there. As an engineer turned PM, some of us are intelligent and logical and don’t want to do this stupid shit. And some engineers should never be PMs, I’ve seen some real disasters where engineering tried to play that role.

[gedy]

Well, I mean if we’re talking about "we don’t need engineers anymore" why not do that?

[krater23]

HAHAHAHA. Dodged a bullet. Do you really want to work in a enterprice where HR is so dumb to buy this shit? Just think, they hire all your colleagues.

[butILoveLife]

A few points to add:

>I have my wife vibe coding programs for her medical company. Its great. Saved her $200/mo so far from ADP

>I have tried encouraging others to vibe code, and they don't even know basic things like how to save files as .html... At best I've taught them to disagree with the AI and tell the AI "Make me a file I can click on".

>Being precise on the steps to solve a problem can be the difference between 1 shot success and floundering.

>Maybe do something that involves physical space and programming.