[ktallett]

Primitive in what sense though? As I have had one for longer than my Macbook lasted in the same situation, plus it is upgradeable as and when I choose. I loved apple of old, and the classic apple that was the framework of it's time regarding upgradeability, has long gone.

[cassepipe]

Framework owner here: The fw just does not feel as sturdy as a Macbook, it does the job and it's ok but not macbook grade. The framework feels like it's been built with just enough whereas the macbook feels strong and self-contained.

[ktallett]

It doesn't feel as sturdy, but I have actually had less issues with it in the same amount of time, and each one I have been able to fix myself cheapily and easily. The Macbook does feel sturdy, but it is deceptive as one issue means the whole laptop is almost needing to be replaced which is not strong in reality.