[odiroot]

If this one is anything like the previous ones, ThinkPad is still beating it in the keyboard department.

Plus you get x86_64 and vendor support for Linux.

X13 is probably the best equivalent in Lenovo's line.

[junga]

There's not much difference between the keyboard of the X13 Gen 6 and the keyboard of the MacBook Pro M1. I own both devices. The keyboard of my T14s Gen 1 on the other hand is noticeably better.

[alfiedotwtf]

How’s ACPI and real suspend (not that “fake” soft suspend) these days? I’m still burned after running Linux on a laptop since 2002 and not having proper power management for suspend :(

… if it’s not the power layer, it’s the network, video, Bluetooth that won’t power up anymore after a nap

[JoshTriplett]

> How’s ACPI and real suspend

On a current ThinkPad? Essentially perfect. Zero problems suspending and resuming, no matter what's going on, including weird cases like suspending while docked and resuming while undocked or vice versa.

[vladvasiliu]

Do current thinkpads still have real suspend? I thought it was discontinued by intel. And if they do, how do you enable it? I haven’t seen anything in the bios of my p14s g6

[JoshTriplett]

Current ThinkPads have working suspend out-of-the-box, including turning off or putting to sleep peripheral devices, waking on keypresses or lid opening, and otherwise handling suspend/resume exactly as expected.

[vladvasiliu]

Isn't that the "modern standby" thing? Mine (p14sg6 intel) "works well" in that it suspends, wakes, etc (under linux, don't use windows enough on it to have formed an opinion).

But it doesn't support S3 (suspend to ram), only s0ix:

    $ cat /sys/power/mem_sleep
    [s2idle]

[JoshTriplett]

In both cases, the peripherals are put to sleep, and the RAM goes into self-refresh mode. The main difference is that if there are any bugs, they can be fixed in the OS rather than the BIOS.

[alfiedotwtf]

Sadly, this is what I thought. Nobody wants to open their backpack to find a warm helicopter

[winrid]

It's a toss up. Works great on my 2017 X1 Extreme. Doesn't work on old 4th Gen i3/i5 E550 thinkpads I refurbish, etc.

[alfiedotwtf]

Dang :(

So what’s your opinion on the beefiest laptop money can buy (NVIDIA based for CUDA) that supports Linux the best?

[winrid]

I'd consider System76 in that case, I don't think their fit and finish is known for being top tier but the specs are pretty good. Also maybe framework? The thinkpads and dells are probably mostly fine, you can always return it if it doesn't work.

[JoshTriplett]

> X13 is probably the best equivalent in Lenovo's line.

I think the X1 Carbon line is the best direct competitor.

[twodave]

Not in terms of heat management it’s not.

[Findecanor]

Not just low key travel. Here in Europe, Mac keyboards have an anemic vertical Return key. Its widest point is as wide as the `\` key on a US keyboard. No such issues on ThinkPads.

[dzhiurgis]

I always get UK keyboard, not because of enter, but tilde and ` placement. CMD+` for window switching is so much easier on UK keyboard.

I was pretty pissed off when warranty accidentally replaced it with US layout (battery went under 80% which means top case replacement which basically feels like brand new laptop).

[epiecs]

I had the same issue. The fix for this is to order directly from Apple and then to choose the “English (US)” keyboard layout. That way you get the ANSI layout :)