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by empath75 115 days ago
It is impossible to accurately imitate the action of intelligent beings without being intelligent. To believe otherwise is to believe that intelligence is a vacuous property.
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An unintelligent device can accurately imitate the action of intelligent beings within a given scope, in the same way an actor can accurately imitate the action of a fictional character in a given scope (the stage or camera) without actually being that character.

If the idea is that something cannot accurately replicate the entirety of intelligence without being intelligent itself, then perhaps. But that isn't really what people talk about with LLMs given their obvious limitations.

So the actors who portrait great thinkers are great thinkers?
No, actors recite a pre-written script. But scriptwriters do have to be great thinkers in order to know what the great thinker would actually say.
I suppose they really only have to be good at knowing what sort of thing the audience would believe a great thinker would say. As long as the audience does not consist of great thinkers they also cannot know for sure what a great thinker would say.
That's true for unverifiable "talk professions" where there is no grounding and it's all self-referential navel-gazing chatter.

But LLMs are already beyond that in writing code that passes actual tests, proving theorems that are check able with formal methods etc.

The people who still say LLMs are just parrots in 2026 will just keep saying this no matter what, so I don't think it makes sense to argue this point further.

No no, parrots are truly intelligent.
Which is why so many portrayals are unconvincing.
>It is impossible to accurately imitate the action of intelligent beings without being intelligent.

Wait what? So a robot who is accurately copying the actions of an intelligent human, is intelligent?

That was probably phrased poorly. If a robot can independently accurately do what an intelligent person would do when placed in a novel situation, then yes, I would say it is intelligent.

If it's just basically being a puppet, then no. You tell me what claude code is more like, a puppet, or a person?

It is neither puppet or a person. It is a computer program.
As much as a bundle of an mp3 decoder and a terabyte of mp3 music are "just a program".
How can you distinguish intelligence form a sufficiently accurate imitation of intelligence?
By "sufficiently accurate" do you mean identical? Because if so, it's not an imitation of intelligence at all, and the question is thus nonsensical.
"it's not an imitation of intelligence at all"

But that is the key insight, how can you tell when an imitation of intelligence becomes the real thing?

When it stops hallucinating without explicit checks for that!
Making mistakes does not make people unintelligent.