[5upplied_demand]

> There is a reason American families move away when Asian immigrants move into school districts

Here, you equate "American families" to "white families." Your source (below) says that Hispanic and black student enrollment didn't change, just white enrollment. Maybe there are other factors?

"First off, no statistical relationship existed during those years between Asian American student enrollment and that of students from other groups, such as African Americans or Hispanics"

> they don’t have the mentality of someone who is a generation away from having to take a boat to school during monsoon season.

Are Asian immigrants in the California suburbs (the location of your source study) coming from this type of poverty?

EDIT: As has become traditional, rayiner edited the original post when it was proven completely false. Here is the article that "proved" their point: https://www.the74million.org/article/fear-of-competition-res...

[happytoexplain]

>As has become traditional, rayiner edited the original post when it was proven completely false.

This is really egregious internet-style arguing.

[5upplied_demand]

That's fair, but it is the same story over and over with this user. At some point, it needs to be called out.

[rayiner]

I try not to edit after I see a response. I just do it to refine my thoughts, usually within 10 minutes of posting.

[5upplied_demand]

You haven't addressed the breakdown I provided showing why those initial assumptions don't match the data. Can we acknowledge that the original premise was based on a misinterpretation of the figures rather than just delete the history of your statement?

[rayiner]

I haven't had a chance to dig into study carefully. But I just noticed that you misinterpreted the quote you rely on above. You said:

> Your source (below) says that Hispanic and black student enrollment didn't change, just white enrollment. Maybe there are other factors?

> "First off, no statistical relationship existed during those years between Asian American student enrollment and that of students from other groups, such as African Americans or Hispanics"

But you omitted the portion after the semicolon:

"First off, no statistical relationship existed during those years between Asian American student enrollment and that of students from other groups, such as African Americans or Hispanics; therefore, white movement was a reaction not to the broader emergence of non-white neighbors, but to Asians specifically."

To be totally fair to you, the first clause in isolation clearly means what you interpreted it to mean, it seems like the author of the article doesn't understand what "correlation" means. But it looks like the co-author of the underlying study draw the same conclusion as I did:

"'If we just look at the basic correlations, we don’t see this kind of white flight from low-income suburbs,' said Boustan. 'To me, this very clearly rules out basic racial animus.'"

The rest of the article explains that the white flight is caused by dislike of the increased competition Asian students bring, not racial animus like you suggested.

[5upplied_demand]

The portion after the semi-colon wasn't relevant to your initial claim. Which was this:

> There is a reason American families move away when Asian immigrants move into school districts

The study shows that "American" families didn't move away, "white American" families moved away.

> not racial animus like you suggested.

Can you share what it is you think I suggested? I don't see where I provided a view on this topic. I simply pointed out your incorrect assumptions of the data.

[rayiner]

I edited the post because I decided it was a tangent and wanted to make room for a point that was more relevant. I’m happy to address the point on the merits.

> Here, you equate "American families" to "white families." Your source (below) says that Hispanic and black student enrollment didn't change, just white enrollment. Maybe there are other factors

The article says that there was no “statistically significant relationship” for other races. That doesn’t mean you can infer that people from other races didn’t move away. It could be that there simply weren’t enough hispanic and black families in the sample to draw an inference. The study looked only at affluent school districts in California. There’s not a lot of black and hispanic students in those school districts to begin with. And the white families are much more likely to be wealthier and have more freedom to move.

I suspect the trend would hold true for affluent native-born black and hispanic families too. There’s just very few school districts where you have affluent asians living alongside affluent black or hispanic people. In fact, I’m not aware of any. I live in a county with a lot of affluent black people, adjacent to the most affluent black-majority county. My daughter is the only Asian in her class, which is otherwise about 70-30 white/black.

> Are Asian immigrants in the California suburbs (the location of your source study) coming from this type of poverty

My dad’s family was actually affluent landowners. That’s just what most of Asia was like until very recently. My sister in law is Taiwanese. The communists killed much of her extended family during the revolution.

[5upplied_demand]

> It could be that there simply weren’t enough hispanic and black families in the sample to draw an inference. The study looked only at affluent school districts in California. There’s not a lot of black and hispanic students in those school districts to begin with. And the white families are much more likely to be wealthier and have more freedom to move.

It could be that, but the study itself doesn't show that at all. It actually shows the opposite. Hispanics were, by far, the largest subset of students in the study. In the Central Cities area of the study, Asian and black student population was about even.