[allknowingfrog]

Well, I'm not one of those people. I like waking up with the sun and driving to work in the daylight. The idea that DST solves anything absolutely blows my mind. If you want the ability to start your work day earlier and end it earlier, that seems like a worker protection bill that needs to be passed. DST is the kludgiest kludge that ever kludged.

[alpinisme]

Where I live June sunrise (with DST) is 5:11am and sunset is 8:21pm (a city on the American east coast). I just can’t imagine a majority of people would want 4:11 rising and 7:21 setting.

[Wowfunhappy]

In June, they wouldn't. That's why we currently change the clocks. But changing the clocks sucks, so you have to optimize for either the winter or the summer.

In the summer, we already have lots of sunlight regardless, so it doesn't make sense to optimize for that.

[__turbobrew__]

Winter sucks anyways when you live in the north. I grew up at 56 degrees north and you are cooked no matter what is done. Better to optimize April-October.

[Wowfunhappy]

In summer when there's lots of sunlight, the benefit of an extra hour--while not zero--isn't that significant.

We tried permanent DST in the US in the 1970s. People hated it.

[baq]

Clock is a social contract. China has just one time zone and it seems to work fine.

[Poacher5]

There's a noticeable increase in sleep disorders and related conditions in the far west of the single time zone [0]. I think when it's on the order of a single hour's shift for daylight savings the effects are pretty negligible but they are measurable.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY9mXPcloaM

[michaelt]

The thing about DST is it makes every scheduled event move, all at the same time.

It shifts my contracted start time at work, my first meeting, when places start serving lunch, when my kid needs to get to ballet class, when my sportsball club meets, and when the supermarket closes. All at once.

Lawmakers changing the time shown on clocks is, I think, a lot easier than society changing the social contract.

[albert_e]

The equation change a bit when you have distributed teams.

[throw0101a]

> Clock is a social contract. China has just one time zone and it seems to work fine.

If it didn't would the government actually care?

Most of the population is in the east, in which clock-noon and solar-noon is better matched:

* https://www.china-mike.com/china-travel-tips/tourist-maps/ch...

Doubt Beijing listens to the complaints from Lasa (Tibet) much.

[eloisant]

Not sure how well that works in China, but I like that when I travel I can have a similar schedule compared to home.

I wouldn't want to have to learn a different schedule such as getting up at midnight, having lunch at 04:00 then going to bed at 15:00. That would also make jet lag much worse because you wouldn't be able to rely on your watch to know what activity you're supposed to be doing at the time.

[Izkata]

It's always annoyed me a bit how everyone talks about sunrise in winter and sunset year round, but sunrise in summer is almost never mentioned. This is the sole reason if we settle on one or the other I want sunrise later.

[davidw]

> If you want the ability to start your work day earlier and end it earlier, that seems like a worker protection bill that needs to be passed.

I don't think that's very realistic though is it? School times are fixed and that anchors a lot of families to those specific times, and businesses tend to have set hours.

Changing the time to give people more light in the evening frees up a bunch of people to enjoy some sunlight without making it a whole fight to have different hours at work.

[whycome]

School and the workday already awkwardly don't work together. Schools often end an hour or two after the traditional work day. It wouldn't be crazy to have an effective 'DST' via just adjusting the school start/end times -- start at 10am for part of the year dammit.

[duskdozer]

It's the obvious real solution that sidesteps all the personal-preference-driven claims on what option is "objectively" better/healthier/whatever, but corporate society isn't ready for it I guess

[at_compile_time]

>If you want the ability to start your work day earlier and end it earlier, that seems like a worker protection bill that needs to be passed.

If that's what passes for aspiration these days then the labour movement truly is dead.

[abustamam]

It's been dead ever since workers thought 40h work weeks and 2 weeks off a year was a good deal.

[Mumps]

Isn't the converse then equally appropriate?

Move to DST and if you want the ability to start your day later and end later, [...].

[allknowingfrog]

I'm proposing that DST is an awkward solution to the problem. You're suggesting that we should use the awkward solution and then also stack another solution on top. Why not cut out the extra step?

[sjkoelle]

yeah im curious if people will end up liking it. sucks from my perspective.