[general_reveal]

By the time most of us are dead, I think we’ll have enough evidence that human systems mostly don’t work (this is a personal realization, just for ourselves, no one will be able to strip you have the realization). If it worked for you, congrats, you were lucky.

[nradov]

What sort of evidence are you looking for? The current general system of free-market capitalism and multiparty democracy has created an unprecedented era of prosperity for those of us lucky enough to live in (relatively) civilized countries. There are lots of problems that we need to fix but on average by almost any objective metric the situation is better than ever.

[Incipient]

China's system seems to be fairly rapidly delivering prosperity for their citizens too (from lots of accounts?). Neither free market nor democracy.

Insane surveillance and indoctrination aside...but still prosperity?

[SR2Z]

The part of China's system that's delivering those gains is the capitalist part, though. It's not the SOEs and government that are creating good jobs.

[general_reveal]

The thing about people in comfort is that they literally do not understand the concept of one too many on a fundamental level. One dollar is not enough. Similar, one person that goes without, that’s not enough either. You need millions to go without before the wrinkles even show up on some people’s faces.

“One too many” ills shatters the benchmark of “life is good”. Not good enough (that much … you may actually understand).

We have been deficient, through and through.

[soperj]

> free-market capitalism and multiparty democracy has created an unprecedented era of prosperity

can you prove that it's free-market capitalism and multiparty democracy? because i see this opinion espoused a lot online.

[nradov]

Can you prove it's not? At this point if anyone wants to propose an alternative then the burden of proof is on them. So far everything else that we've tried has failed disastrously.

[hackable_sand]

How could everything else have failed?

You entrench yourself and don't want to move when you need to

[nradov]

Fortunately we don't need to move.

[soperj]

I'm not making a judgement either way. You're saying that it's capitalism and multiparty democracy(i would question whether there's a difference between both the parties in the US, does it even count as multiparty?). China's the second largest economy in the world and there's no multi party democracy there.