[hidelooktropic]

There are many concerns and areas for improvement with open claw and other similar projects (continuous loop script with broad OS access that manages your agents and interfaces with a standard messaging app)

However, file size I have never seen on that list. I would rather offer for something that is even bigger in file size so it afford certain functionality like better security tighter permissions however it would do that.

[mihaelm]

File size is a legit property to keep in mind if your goal is to create an agent that runs on ESP32 boards. They don't expect you to run Zclaw on Mac Mini.

[allthetime]

What's the use case for running this on a tiny board? Isn't the whole point that it can use your computer for you?

[mihaelm]

For something like OpenClaw yes, but not for Zclaw. I think the naming is more about riding the current wave of Claw-related interest rather than positioning it as competition or replacement for other clawies.

Zclaw is about running an agent in your embedded system.

[markstos]

The examples seem to suggest it would be chatting with your home automation in natural language.

[fc417fc802]

Before you know it your smart thermostat will be blogging. The joke is on everyone who thought IoT couldn't get any worse. Just imagine the new landscape of security vulnerabilities this opens up.

[markstos]

My "smart" gas stove can be turned on over the internet (if I allow it to connect)—perfect appliance to put an LLM in charge of.

[stavros]

I made a secure one:

https://github.com/skorokithakis/stavrobot

Everything runs in containers (I run it on a server along with everything else), plugins have a permission system so eg the AI can read emails but not delete or send, etc.

I really like it, I run it as my main agent and it has been extremely helpful.

[croes]

Part of the usefulness is based on the same thing that makes it so dangerous.

If it can only read but not act, it’s safer but less useful.

[stavros]

I can't restrict OpenClaw if I don't need the extra capabilities. I can restrict this.

[croes]

You restrict OpenClaw by not providing it certain credentials.

[stavros]

Again, with my design you can give it fine-grained access to parts of services, which OpenClaw itself cannot do. This is just a fact.