[Panzer04]

Human effort just isn't worth very much. The strongest humans on earth can manage about 400W for an hour. Even very small ebike motors are usually capable of 500w continuous/forever, so long as the motor does not spend too much time stalled or at very low speeds.

For a normal human, a "legal" 250w motor is easily doubling or tripling their normal power output, so hauling around an extra 20kg on top of the existing ~100kg body + bike is not a big deal.

[fgfarben]

A heavy battery makes an ebike extremely unpleasant to pedal manually. You should try it.

I built almost exactly the same size pack (2 kWH) as Jacques in 2020 on a hybrid road bike and hated it so much that I only rode it 20 times or so. The battery still sits in the corner of my house doing nothing.

[lukan]

On a flat road I disagree, but uphill you notice it a lot of course, but way worse is carrying the heavy bike. I take mine into trains a lot and unfortunately there are often lots of stairs and no escalators involved.

[jacquesm]

I would never take this one into a train. I'm pretty sure it is a better pack (and much better monitored) than a store bought one given what I've seen inside of those but still, the amount of energy stored in there is pretty impressive and just the thought of it going into thermal runaway is enough to ensure that will never expose other people to it.

[lukan]

That is very considerate of you, but my bike has a very small standard battery (in comparison). Still, it would be good if trains offered a way to store the bikes in a special place away from people (at the end of the train for instance) so this won't be an issue.

[jacquesm]

Have a look at some videos of what it looks like when a pack lights off in an enclosed space. You'll come away equal parts impressed and horrified, especially at the speed and the intensity.

[lukan]

Will do that, but since I life in a mountainous area with only a rudimentary network of public transport, the alternative is taking the car.

[Panzer04]

It goes without saying that you need the electrical components to be operational and assisting, otherwise yes you are just hauling around weight for the sake of it. As the other commenter mentions though, on flat terrain this doesn't matter much (since wind resistance tends to make up most of the friction at speed, and is independent of weight)

[loeg]

> The strongest humans on earth can manage about 400W for an hour.

Hayden Pucker did ~500. But more or less, yeah.

[medi8r]

I forget the weight is just regular weight not weight on the wheels. Good point.