[SethMurphy]

If the United States truly supported regime change there should be a clear next leader favored to succeed the Ayatollah, otherwise this feels more like a favor to oil companies, raising prices temporarily, and a sound bite for political gain, without a care of what happens to the country later. Simply toppling a government seems quite risky without further planning. Just expecting "good" people to fill the leadership vacuum is a gamble that could easily backfire and lead to greater crackdowns on freedoms and death to those Trump told to go get the power.

[eunos]

I'm not discounting that Trump is thinking he could back another Pahlavi and restore the Peacock Throne.

[Dig1t]

Obviously has nothing to do with oil companies or oil, this is a war on behalf of Israel. Netanyahu visited Trump 6 times in the past year. Prominent Zionists and Israelis inside the US have been agitating for the US to do this for years, especially since Trump took office last year.

[SethMurphy]

Wars are almost always about commerce, history has shown that. Ideology is used to back the motive publicly, but the reason for involvement is almost always trade or commerce. This case could be different, but it is not obvious to me that this case is any different. A simple example is WW1 where the US was forced to back the UK because of their large debt to US banks, despite them still being a colonist power at the time.

[wqaatwt]

You are implying that Trump is rational and/or the interests of his administration align with those of the country?

[SethMurphy]

I am making no implications of Trump, very on purpose to keep this in point (it's hard), but explicitly stating that the policies of the United States are based on capitalism and always have been, while the narrative given and received is that of humanitarianism, which in my opinion is a side effect only. In this case hopefully a positive one, hence my concern for the reckless nature of the war (let's just call it what it is, not just an attack or military action).

[Dig1t]

There is no evidence this strike has anything to do with oil, our leadership is not even saying that we will be involved with the changes on the ground. Oil prices are extremely low and have been so for a while now, domestic production is huge and we just claimed Venezuela's for ourselves as well. We have plenty of oil and again, there is just no evidence that this is motivated in any way by oil.

It is purely because Iran is a rival and check on Israel. Most of the US oligarchy has strong ties to Israel and they have made huge donations to Trump so that he would do this for them. Take a look at Miriam Adelson, Sheldon Adelson, Larry Elison, Ronald Lauder. These are mega donors who have been agitating for regime change in Iran from the very beginning. Go watch the speeches that Trump has given IN Israel, this has been their aim the entire time.

This conflict is extremely religious in nature, a huge contingent of Christians in the US believe that Israel ruling the middle east out of Jerusalem means that the end times will arrive sooner. Similarly a large contingent of Jews believe that their Messiah will return when they control the middle east.

Watch the Tucker interviews with Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee, many of these people are true believers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

>A 2017 LifeWay poll conducted in United States found that 80% of evangelical Christians believed that the creation of Israel in 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy that would bring about Christ's return and more than 50% of Evangelical Christians believed that they support Israel because it is important for fulfilling the prophecy.

[SethMurphy]

Yes, and the price of oil has gone up 10% last I saw. United states domestic oil sells at the same price. Maybe not planned, but a reality. On the flip side the possibility this affect the global economy, which includes the US, more negatively is probably true also.

[Dig1t]

Again though, you are presenting 0 evidence that these strikes have anything to do with oil. Meanwhile there's a mountain of evidence that this has everything to do with Israel and its ambition to dominate the region.

[SethMurphy]

I am a student of history and am offering the observations I see in regards to that. Your points are valid too and the narrative around the war. Another validation of my point. Neither of us know the true motives, but history has shown the side the United States chooses is the one that benefits trade th most, not a moral decision. This is my only point.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/03/03/business/iran...

[swingboy]

I believe Netanyahu has visited 7 times now at this point. In a single year.