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by Simon_ORourke 116 days ago
Are all our foreign policy decisions now made in Tel Aviv to suit Israel?
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Sure seems that way. I don't really see how this military action is justified from a US perspective. Or even from an Israeli one. The most likely justification is that the leadership of the US and Israel are a little bit unhinged and want a war to distract from domestic issues.
Not only is it unjustified, attacking during a negotiation seriously undermines future negotiations. This is a massive self face punching exercise.
Israel has even killed a Hamas negotiator in 2024 during deliberations, and attempted to kill another one in 2025.
I mean they literally shot a child and watched him bleed to death while creating a wall to prevent an ambulance getting to him soooo.

But for some reason the Western world only sees the evil things Hamas does and handwaves IDF.

They're both evil.

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpqwv9vvzx9o

Though I suppose you could say he's lying, it's staged etc. In the same way that the religious attribute every good thing to their god and every bad thing to their devil.

Was there really a negotiation? It seems like US is giving them an ultimatum, stop nuclear enrichment and ballistic missile production or well hit you
"This is America, you can always cut a deal"

- Dutch

Don't fool yourself and others, attacking during negotiation is part of the negotiation.
Netanjahu is old and wants to secure his 'legacy' by being credited for dismantling Iran, knowing Trump will back him both because he's been fed BS and because the Israelis have enough kompromat to sink him. There's no 'rational' justification for this attack, only madness and huge egos.
What kompromat would even affect Trump at this point? He's been proven to be deep in bed with a literal pedophilic cabal of elites, what on Earth else could they have on this guy that would affect anything?
A literal video of him doing what most of us think he likely did with this pedophilic cabal of elites could likely still do some damage.

Or perhaps there's still worse things we cannot imagine? With these people, one can never be too sure.

Well, it's plausibly justified because the US considers a strong regional ally like Israel a valuable asset to have in the Middle East and if Israel is a regional hegemon [1] then all the better.

There have been many arguments that the US' support of Israel goes against US interests [2], but that really makes no sense. It's not just Trump who has to be convinced to start a war for Israel, it's the entire defense establishment in the US.

And also in Israel. If fighting half a dozen wars all at once was really that bad for Israel, surely, someone would have put a stop in it.

Surely.

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[1] Got that term from J. Mearsheimer, if you were wondering.

[2] Particularly the Tucker Carlson - Judge Napolitano - Col. Daniel Davies continuum of mostly conservative podcast hosts. Or those are the ones I follow closely anyway. They're all convinced it's all "because of the lobby".

Why is Israel a valuable asset?
US is valuable Israel asset
I am not convinced that Israel is such an important ally.

I suspect a fourth column.

Israel is not an ally, it's the puppet. What is happening is what the Anglo-Americans want.
You know the answer ;-)
No. They're made in Virginia and broadcast to proxies around the world.

Seriously, I'm constantly amazed by how oblivious some Americans are. You got it all backwards.

Israel is the tip of the USA spear. We've seen this already, this should come as no surprise.
What makes you think it suits Israel? There is only one person here it serves
careful, you might get flagged by the self appointed hackernews mods
Always have been.
Oh, it's not only Israel. It's also a powerful distraction from the Epstein files.
Wait, weren't the Epstein files a distraction from war operations?
I don't believe one is needed. USians seem ok with wars. The last one which caused problems also had a forced conscription.
its an Ouroboros of distractions.
Nope. In Jerusalem.
This doesn't even benefit Israel, it benefits a bunch of power-hungry sociopaths in Israel.
I'm happy with how the Overton Window on the US being completely subservient to Israel is shifting. A few years ago, this would have gotten you denounced as antisemitic, but now it's a common position even normies hold that no matter the issue, the US will take the position that favors Israel the most, no matter how it hurts American interests and endangers or outright kills their citizens.

Even if Iran gets 500 years to build out a proper technological economy, there's no universe where they're a threat to the US. All the players the US has invaded the Middle East to fight don't constitute a threat to Joe in Alabama. It's all about weakening potential threats to leave Israel as the only extant regional power, no matter the costs to American credibility, military stockpiles, finances ($10t so far, according to Brown University Costs of War).

The overton Window has shifted and this question will not go away.