[throwawayheui57]

I speak Persian (Farsi) and in state TV, every day, they said we won’t back down and won’t give up anything. Watch the supreme leader’s translated speech. Straight from the horse mouth! Who’s lying here?

Just to be clear I’m not pro war! I take Iranian regime as the first and foremost responsible party in this mess and then US! My people stuck in this disaster of a power struggle.

[hjkl0]

I can tell you that in Israel, the prime minister is daily on the news describing how much we are ready to give up and prepared to back down.

Obviously the leaders of both our countries want what’s best for all of us and always tell us the truth, right?

[lyu07282]

What do you even think the words diplomacy and negotiation even mean? Of course it included independent oversight to any extend the US wanted. There is nothing that Iran can do to satisfy the requirements for peace because the goal of the US is war, Iran has no interest in war that leads to their destruction. For fuck sake it didn't even include any sanction relief! Wake the fuck up!

The magnitude of human suffering this will bring, civil war, sectarian violence, it all leads to hundreds of millions of people dying, millions of people displaced. Nobody likes the Iranian regime, just like nobody liked Saddam, its not the point. These wars are barbaric, not in the interests of anybody but Israel and a select few American arms dealers and pedophiles that propagandize their way to barely conscious sheep in the west clapping along to the barbarism AGAIN.

[throwawayheui57]

> Wake the fuck up!

The obnoxious sanctimonious behavior of telling random Iranians to “wake the fuck up” as if we have a saying in what either Iranian government or the US side does. Go pound sand.

[lyu07282]

Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you. All you do is repeat the talking points of the Trump administration. I've seen this all before, the Iraq war broke peoples brains in exactly the same way, nobody learned anything at all.

[throwawayheui57]

Oh these poor Iranians need saviors, they don’t know what’s good for them. We know better. They don’t learn.

Don’t you see any similarity between what you say and any colonial. And my brain is broken?

Let me put it in a way that’s easy to comprehend for you. War is bad and Iranian government is as much responsible for this war as the US. I don’t understand how this is so triggering for some.

edit.

> Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you.

Did you care equally when thousands of Iranians were massacred in the streets by the government or the “care” activates only when convenient?

[lyu07282]

> Oh these poor Iranians need saviors, they don’t know what’s good for them. We know better. They don’t learn.

I'm anti-interventionism, you can't seriously reframe that into western chauvinism.

> War is bad and Iranian government is as much responsible for this war as the US. I don’t understand how this is so triggering for some.

Because its just not true, there would be no war without the US and Israel starting it, PERIOD. It's triggering because you could've said exactly the same thing about the Iraq war, its always the same disaster and people never listen or learn anything, that's why its frustrating.

[throwawayheui57]

> there would be no war without the US and Israel starting it, PERIOD.

“there would be no war without Hamas starting it, PERIOD.”

See how dishonest and ignorant that sounds?

For everyone else reading this thread as Iran being bombed: In 47 years of constant confrontation, islamic regime has not built one fucking bomb shelter for its people for these days. Let that sink in. Don’t believe these people who suddenly start to care about Iranian lives by taking the regime’s side and also don’t believe US officials when they say they do all these for our freedom.

[Rover222]

anti-interventionism is immoral at some point

[Revanche1367]

For a Persian you have very US republican boomer speaking patterns. And of course a very recent account.

[jameshilliard]

> For a Persian you have very US republican boomer speaking patterns.

Most Persians I know will support just about anyone who will go against the regime, there were huge protests all over the world recently by the Iranian diaspora calling for the regime to be destroyed after tens of thousands of protesters were murdered by the regime all over Iran.

[lyu07282]

I presume its just an Iranian living in the west? Just look at the Miami Cubans cheering on the total energy blockade killing Cuba right now, its not entirely unusual for immigrants to sound like US republican boomers sadly.

[Matl]

The US demands were for Iran to give up all its offensive capabilities so that Israel and the US can bomb it with impunity every time they please.

It would be foolish for the Iranians to agree to that. But useful idiots will be useful idiots.

[throwawayheui57]

Iran’s FM’s statements on the negotiations contradict these claims. They said that they had productive talks and reasonable progress! Did they lie?

[Matl]

'productive talks and reasonable progress' is what diplomats almost always say in negotiations in order to maintain a reasonable atmosphere for possible further negotiations, this is not rocket science.

They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out.

[throwawayheui57]

> They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out.

Can you give me some official sources that explain what exactly was negotiated and demanded on both sides?

[Matl]

TL;DR Iran wants essentially symbolic enrichment so they could save face domestically, the US wants it to limit the range of its missiles so they could not reach Israel when Israel attacks.

I want to avoid linking particular sources because I know it's easy to call this or that biased etc. but it's easy to look up even in Israeli sources.

[throwawayheui57]

But that’s not what you said:

> The US demands were for Iran to give up all its offensive capabilities