[clutter55561]

HN is pretty polarised about this - they are either “the good guys” or “doing it for positive marketing”.

I’m on the camp “the world is so fucked up, take the good when you can find it”.

Beggars can’t be choosers when it comes to taking a stand against dictatorships.

[abustamam]

Yeah, the alternative is be OK with their product being used for surveillance.

Not sure why it's controversial that they said no, regardless of the reasoning. Yeah there's a lot of marketing speak and things to cover their asses. Let's call them out on that later. Right now let's applaud them for doing the right thing.

FWIW I do not think they are the "good guys" (if I had a dollar for every company that had a policy of not being evil...). But they are certainly not siding with the bad guys here.

[louisbourgault]

> Let's call them out on that later. Right now let's applaud them for doing the right thing.

Yes, yes, yes. When I first read the stuff about this yesterday, my immediate thought was "wait, these are the only two things they have a problem with?"

But they made a stand, and that still matters. We shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. At least it's not Grok.

[pklausler]

If one really wants to take a stand against this crazy administration, they shouldn’t start it by referring to Hegseth with his assumed title.

[sgarland]

I thought that too, but then wondered if they thought better of deliberately antagonizing a very powerful bully.

[pcthrowaway]

> the alternative is be OK with their product being used for surveillance.

Their statement didn't indicate they object to their product being used for surveillance, just for domestic surveillance of U.S. citizens

[scrubs]

It's gotta be thus.

For if you don't the next step is cynicism maximally operationlized: what you're not doing game/political BS to get ahead? What are you? A chump? An idiot?

That kind of stuff spreads like wild fire making corporate America ... something else to put it politely.

Doing the right thing has cost me big time here and there. I don't care. Simultaneously orgs are not all bad; thats another distortion we can do without.

[twelvechairs]

No surprises many people on YCs site align with Sam Altmans view of the world - right or wrong.

[peyton]

I’m just surprised the alignment guy is struggling with alignment. Dodged a bullet I guess.

[naruhodo]

If I remember my D&D, Lawful Evil is an alignment.