[thereisnospork]

We've probably answered wrongly. Even money aside, how many more people die in traffic accidents due to the extra miles driven because of delays in construction?

Some regs are worth it, certainly, but being overly cautious is in itself unsafe.

[panick21]

How many of those traffic accidents could have been prevented if traffic engineering was a serious engineering profession and road deaths were not simply accept as a 'fact of live'.

How many lives would have been saved if a bridge for trains instead of cars were designed?

[XorNot]

Sure and sometimes you just need to actually issue safety equipment and install a fall net.

The historical comparisons are complete BS: they wind up at "if we sacrifice enough people to the industrial god he will reward us" rather then discussing anything real.

[dyauspitr]

What is it then? What is real? It has to be environmental and safety regulations, long running environmental studies, general bureaucracy and NIMBYism holding construction and infrastructure back right? That’s what held up the high speed rail in California (along with funding factors). We’ve always had unions so that shouldn’t be it.

[XorNot]

I mean you're demonstrating the exact problem right here: you aren't talking about any specific instances or processes, just vague concepts.

"It's regulations" "it's nimbyism" "it's environmental studies".

Concepts. Not the real actual implementations, their stakeholders and their impact on the project.

[thereisnospork]

Things are so bad that we can't even seem to manage to install a fall net[0] in a timely manner.

[0]https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-12-12/golden-g...