[MiSeRyDeee]

I'm well informed on all of these but no, if we compare to other global power like US or Russia, or historically British, France, Spain, etc, China is 100% not an imperialist or colonialist, not by a large margin. Those issues are largely exaggerated by media and anyone had a decent exposure to history and international politics wouldn't say they are the same.

[asciii]

I disagree on China. What would you call China's behavior[1] in the South China Sea with regards to fishing vessels and other non-military boats?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzZrcqf826E

[MiSeRyDeee]

Sure China has some disputes with neighboring country in South China Sea, the worst conflict they had is fishing boats running into each other. 0 death toll last time I checked. Meanwhile US killed at least 126 people with alleged drug strike in the Caribbean Sea since last year, WITHOUT trial. Anyone believing these're equivalent imperialism activity is hypocrite at best.

[1] https://apnews.com/article/boat-strikes-military-death-toll-...

[asciii]

There were deaths in these fishing incidents[1].

> Anyone believing these're equivalent imperialism activity is hypocrite at best.

In terms of equivalence, I would say based on their intentions they wish they could be more but would rather let the US burn it on the way down

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/asia/philippines-south-china-...

[MiSeRyDeee]

Are we just make accusations based on what could have happened? And Still no, day and night difference compared to any of those countries I mentioned

[jmyeet]

What China is doing in the South China Sea? The South China Sea.

Let's just compare to the Monroe Doctrine [1]. What this actually means has gone through several iterations by since I think Teddy Roosevelt's time, it's that the United States views the Americas (being North and South America) to be the sole domain of the United States.

This was a convenient excuse for any number of regime changes in Central and South America since 1945. The US almost started World War Three over Cuba in 1962 after the USSR retaliated to the US putting nuclear MRBMs in Turkey. We've starved Cuba for 60+ years for having the audacity to overthrow our puppet government and nationalize some mob casinos. Recently, we kidnapped the head of state of Venezuela because reasons.

But sure, let's focus on China militarizing its territorial waters.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

[cthalupa]

You're arguing that because of the English language name of it is the South China Sea that China owns it and their actions can't be imperialist?

Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam will all be happy to know that we've solved it - we can just abandon it all to China. Problem solved!

This is a silly argument. There are significant territorial disputes that China is extremely aggressive on, international tribunals have ruled them as violating international law in international waters and in sovereign waters of other nations, etc.

[MiSeRyDeee]

And the US just casually carried out a special military operation in another sovereign country and captured their president without consequences. So much for self-righteous.

[yakshaving_jgt]

> What China is doing in the South China Sea? The South China Sea.

Sorry, did you mean East Vietnam Sea?

[maxglute]

Obviously self defense with nobel peace price worthy restraint.

Considering it's PRC claimed territory. Literally 100% of PRC claims are inherited from ROC, i.e. PRC has expanded no claims, and actively settled 12/14 land borders (most on earth) essentially all with 50%+ concessions, i.e. PRC ceded more land in negotiations. That OBJECTIVELY, makes PRC the most benevolent rising power in recorded history. Any gov losing land to so many border settlements is committing treason. Also note PCA ruling is not international law, so what PRC does in SCS is not even legally wrong (as in they legally can't be wrong since UNCLOS cannot rule on sovereignty). Or that PRC was last to militarize SCS islands (except Brunai who is good boi), and PRC conceded ROC/TW's original 11dash to 9dash, which even in SCS disputes makes PRC the only party to have made concessions.

PRC is objectively the LEAST imperialistic rising power, by actual non retarded definitions, i.e. expanding on territories outside it's claims, that PRC didn't even make, but again inherited from ROC when UN recognition changed.