[bigstrat2003]

> The real debate isn't whether AI is transformative.

No, the debate is very much whether AI is transformative. You don't get to smuggle your viewpoint as an assumption as if there was consensus on this point. There isn't consensus at all.

[selridge]

No one is smuggling this in. The debate is over. It's transformative. We're in the midst of transformation.

[bandrami]

It's really not over. Somebody has to actually put something into production with it first.

[jwittmayer]

Implying that nobody has put AI generated code into production yet?

[bandrami]

Stuff that's going into production now (actual production, not startup MVP production) would have been being written just before Claude Code came out, so pretty much by definition no. There's some copilot-style assisted stuff in the wild, I guess? But not really more of it than pre-copilot so the productivity argument kind of falls through there.

[thevinter]

Cursor came out 3 years ago. "Agentic" refactors have been a thing for 1.5 years. Vibecoding as a term has been created 1 year ago.

There are multiple companies that deploy to production daily. What are we even talking about?

[bandrami]

Right but this agentic stuff was supposed to be the wave where we would finally actually see increased output, so we should probably be seeing it soon if it's real. Like, my dev team should definitely have the actual code they keep talking about their agents making, ready for me to put into production. As should my vendors. Any day now.

[adaml_623]

I feel like you might only be convinced when an AI powered robot rolls up to you and asks, "Bandrami, are you convinced that AI is transformative yet?"

[bandrami]

Robots have been able to do that for decades now

[bitwize]

No, it is over. Compare today to even two years ago.

[usrnm]

I put AI assisted code in production every day, what are you talking about? At this point I don't even doubt I'm going to lose the job eventually, the question is only whether or not I will be able to pay my mortgage off first.