[icelancer]

And he pays his taxes, outlined by said government. If there is a failure to deliver on the goods/services promised by the government, it's not his responsibility to make up for the shortfalls. It'd be nice if he did, but that's getting ahead of ourselves.

[wpietri]

Government does not promise to magically take care of everything. And even if they did, the citizens run the government. Any shortfalls in government are ultimately the responsibility of the citizens.

[icelancer]

You're going to have to point out the contract with my signature on it where I agreed to that. My attorney is gonna hear about it...

[wpietri]

It's not a legal requirement. It's a moral requirement. It's your country, your state, your city. It's your government. You are legally allowed to shirk some of your duties, although not all of them, but that doesn't make you less of a shirker..

Parenting is similar: there are a lot of ways to be a shitty parent that don't rise to the legal level of neglect.

[icelancer]

Whose morals? Kant's Duty Ethics?

You are making subjective judgments. This is fine. But don't confuse your opinions on "fairness" with an objective reality.

[wpietri]

It's the nature of a community, of a democracy. The citizens, as sovereigns, are ultimately responsible.

Don't like it? You can shirk your responsibility and accept your helping of shame. Or you can move to someplace that isn't a democracy.

[icelancer]

>You can shirk your responsibility and accept your helping of shame.

I will. I don't lose sleep at night based on your subjective opinions, fortunately.

[cheez]

Or you can opt out of the portions you don't like.