[ferguess_k]

From my understanding, we are pretty close to a Dystopian world where all elites of a certain group collaborate to run a Super Leviathan. We still gotta choose our flavors, which may not be feasible in maybe 5-10 years when those leviathans clash into each other.

[measurablefunc]

Goliath's Curse by Luke Kemp covers it pretty well I think.

[GolfPopper]

Likewise, thank you for the recommendation. I obviously haven't read Goliath's Curse yet, but it seems like Joseph Tainter's The Collapse of Complex Societies (1988) might also be interesting for the same readers.

[ferguess_k]

Thanks for the recommendation.

[dylan604]

It's not like this is surprising, there have been plenty of sci-fi books/movies that have predicted this very thing. How many movies have the haves lived above ground/off planet, while the have nots have lived underground or stuck on a apocalyptic planet.

This is just furthering the previous history. Currently, the lords have just been able to keep the serfs appeased to a longer extent. Every time in history or in sci-fi, the serfs reach a breaking point and rise up.

[ferguess_k]

I don't think they are going to rise up this time. Maybe laying down flat is more realistic.

[measurablefunc]

This time is different. The global system is not going to fall apart like isolated kingdoms in the past.

[dylan604]

You seem very confident. This seems to imply you feel the haves will know when to leave enough on the table for the have nots to still feel like they are a part of the haves. I'm not so confident in that.

[measurablefunc]

People in technologically advanced societies have more than enough & the people who are not as advanced can not do anything that will have any effect on the people who own the fighter jets, missiles, robot factories, & "internet" satellites. The current system has no historical precedent. It is very close to an almost perfect panopticon w/ an associated media & police apparatus to keep everyone docile & complacent. Like I said, this time is different.

[atmavatar]

Far more likely is that we head back to a feudal era where data mining tech is used to identify and eliminate potential rabble-rousers. Once enough production is automated, all remaining have-nots are exterminated.

[neuralRiot]

The weak link is that for “the haves” to have, the “have -nots” are needed. To have or to not is just a comparison, a millionaire needs the poor to be rich and to feel special otherwise when everyone is special nobody is.

[GolfPopper]

It will instead eventually fall apart in more thoroughly destructive ways. But not until it does a possibly-unrecoverably (at least in the medium term) amount of damage to civilization, humanity, and life on Earth first.

[measurablefunc]

I agree but my point was that it will not be like any previous collapse.

[trinsic2]

yep. There is too much infrastructure now. Its going to take a lot for this to end.

[neuralRiot]

“ Whatever it is you’re seeking won’t come in the form you’re expecting – Haruki Murakami”

[mistrial9]

> Every time in history or in sci-fi, the serfs reach a breaking point and rise up.

this is a completely "WEIRD" outlook.. more than half of humanity has no illusions about "proletarians" they do not even discuss it that way

source: born and raised WEIRD