[blibble]

love the article

slightly concerned tomorrow morning's top HN story will be karparthy telling us how dog-based LLM interfaces are the way of the future

and you'll be left behind if you don't get in now

(and then next week my boss will be demanding I do it)

[AlphaAndOmega0]

The programming workspace of the future of the future will have three employees:

A man, a dog and an instance of Claude.

The dog writes the prompts for Claude, the man feeds the dog, and the dog stops the man from turning off the computer.

[justinnk]

Thank you for the good laugh! This whole thread is peak satire. Although, be careful. It reminds me of the foreword to a shortstory someone shared on HN recently: „[…] Read it and laugh, because it is very funny, and at the moment it is satire. If you’re still around forty years from now, do the existing societal equivalent of reading it again, and you may find yourself laughing out of the other side of your mouth (remember mouths?). It will probably be much too conservative.“ — https://www.baen.com/Chapters/9781618249203/9781618249203___...

[blibble]

I for one welcome our furry overlords

[CobrastanJorji]

You're right. They did it. The old man and dog joke has been realized, but the real answer of the future turned out to be: "the dog programs the game, and the man feeds the treat hopper."

[freakynit]

That was funny. Gave me good laugh. Thanks..

[nine_k]

Everybody and their dog will be doing it. Actually, the dog will be in charge. Dogs are loyal, enthusiastic, and require less office space. With their endless desire to play and to please, they will take over the game development industry.

In the meantime, the financial industry will be taken over by cats.

[krsw]

They also don't take 20 years to become smart like pesky resource-exhausting humans. I bet you could be up and running from a pup in 10-20 months.

[Forgeties79]

I still can’t believe Altman said that. I mean I can, but still.

[charcircuit]

I can because I have also used similar arguments. There are people who say that you should use a real artist instead of AI due to AI's water use. Yet in actuality asking a human to draw something will require more water. There are people who think AI uses more resources than humans which is why it must be said.

[the_af]

> There are people who say that you should use a real artist instead of AI due to AI's water use.

Nobody I know says this. In fact, I've never heard of this ever before, and I read artist and hobby communities pretty hostile to AI, but I never once read this nice strawman you've built.

People say you should use a real artist instead of AI for a multitude of reasons:

- Because they want to enjoy art created by humans.

- Because it provides a living to artists, even artists for minor work like advertising or lesser commercial illustrations.

- Because AI "art" is built by stealing from human artists, and while human art has a history of copying and cloning, never before has tech allowed this in such a massive, soulless scale.

Sam Altman gave a deranged, completely out of touch reply, and he should be called to task for it, not defended. A human being is not some number on a spreadsheet, built over 20 years in order to achieve some "smartness" goal. That's a very stupid thing to say.

[thunky]

> A human being is not some number on a spreadsheet, built over 20 years in order to achieve some "smartness" goal

But from the perspective of the business and capitalism that's exactly what a human is. A tool that consumes resources and hopefully produces more value for the business than it consumes.

Sure we can dance around this and you can pretend your employer gives a shit about you and your family and your childhood stories but they don't.

[pksebben]

It's that second point. We live in an age of artificial scarcity created by a system of social organization that we've mostly not argued about since the 50s, that's now showing it's stretch marks.

If it weren't for the need to 'earn' a living, I'd say to the other two points: Por que no los dos? Save for the capital argument (which is valid, I'm not saying it isn't. You will starve if you don't make money), why is it necessarily true that the two (AI and people) are in competition?

In fact, I think "actual" artists would benefit incredibly from the use of AI, which they could do if it weren't a shibboleth (like I said, for good reason). You'd no longer have to have an army of underpaid animators from vietnam to bring your OC to life - you could just use your own art and make it move and sing. We'd not need huge lumbering organizations full of people who, let's be honest, work there making other people's dreams come to life in large part because it's a better bet than taking a joe-job at the local denny's (after all, you're doing the thing you love even if it isn't truly "yours").

I've had this discussion with younger folks, who are legitimately shook by the state of things. They're worried that all the work they've done to this point is going to be moot, because they've correctly assessed that the whole capital system isn't going anywhere any time soon, and they've been prepping to try and get a job at netflix, or disney, or paramount - because that's the world we've handed them. They see those positions drying up and what else are you going to do? They have the power financially and politically and without them you're doing "not art" for work, which sucks because you need to work.

I say; eat the rich. General wildcat strikes until UBI. Tax the everloving shit out of capital gains and peel back personal income taxes. We (the millenials) were handed a steaming pile of shit for a world, so at least we know what would constitute not an absolute disaster for Zeds, Alphas, etc. Have I gone totally off the rails for a conversation about AI? Actually, I don't believe so. The cultural pushback is a function of a busted system. After all, it's the economy, stupid.

[charcircuit]

>Nobody I know says this.

>I never once read this nice strawman you've built.

The instance of it I found was in a YouTube comment section.

[Forgeties79]

Over a year ago yeah I occasionally heard that argument or some light variation of it, though not nearly to this ridiculous extent that you’re portraying now. Now? It’s basically a strawman. Most people’s objections revolve around the theft/reckless scraping that has literally taken down public infrastructure required to train these models as well as the ridiculous expectations being put that all of us implement it in literally every aspect of our lives even if it doesn’t fit, especially professionally.

[jraph]

> a human to draw something will require more water.

That human would require the same amount of water whether you ask them to draw or not, and would exist anyway because they are not born for productivity reasons. "Creation" of humans isn't driven by the amount of work to accomplish.

You are not causing more water to be used by asking a human to work on something.

Same for energy consumption.

This argument doesn't work at all.

What you do for humans to use fewer resources is to work on making us produce less garbage, and produce things using techniques that are less resource-intensive.

[groestl]

> You are not causing more water to be used by asking a human to work on something.

That's certainly not true. Asking me to think hard about something will cause me to burn more calories. Asking me to do physical work even more so.

[the_af]

It helps to picture some sort of extraterrestrial saying this. Maybe someone like Alan Tudyk in "Resident Alien". It makes much more sense than to assume it's a human being saying these things.

[jordanb]

These guys can't watch a dystopian scifi movie without picturing themselves as the bad guy.

[the_af]

Yup. The Torment Nexus meme proved depressingly accurate.

[jjk166]

>In the meantime, the financial industry will be taken over by cats.

Cats would certainly be less flummoxed by stock values suddenly plummeting; they may even enjoy knocking them over.

[freakynit]

Beavers will control construction and infrastructure... building dams, bridges, and entire housing developments with zero corruption.

[heliumtera]

Please, be real.

There will be a Simon Wilison submission linking to his blog linking to karpathy xit. You know, the usual good stuff.

[xantronix]

Have you any idea what you have just done? You have uttered his name and now he has been summoned. You have doomed us all.

[owebmaster]

I scrolled this thread fearing seeing that name and a SVG of a dog riding a bike

[_bypa]

CODEOWNERS will be replaced by the usual means of marking territory. Let's hope our laptops are liquid-proof.

[hrpnk]

Looking for the headline about "dogs replacing engineers"...

[luxuryballs]

I’m not ok with robots replacing people but dogs replacing people? now you’ve got my attention

[skirmish]

Basically the plot of "City" (1952) by Clifford D. Simak. Bloodthirsty humans are succeeded by a pacifist dog civilization.

[testaccount28]

this is a really funny comment. underrated.

[ljm]

Some dude vibe codes OpenPaw and gives credit to his XL Bully called Threadripper that would never hurt another person, gets acquired by OpenAI for 7 figures total comp purely on clout, and both simonw and Karpathy are calling it the next best development in AI because it draws penguins and industrialises slop while Sam Altman talks about the negative impact of human life compared to AI data centres while pleasuring Jony Ive in a coffee shop.

[dadrock]

The world is not ready for BarkGPT.

[DrewADesign]

CatGPT would be cool but when you really wanted to chat, it would just ignore you.

[ngc248]

Management already got us all copilot licenses .. soon they will get us all a dog

[rkomorn]

This would definitely make me want to rejoin tech.

[ngc248]

Management would get us all dogs and they would get cats for themselves ... like blofeld from James bond ...

[rkomorn]

Not a problem for me... I'm a dog person.

[midnighthollowc]

Haha, I got that impression too! I was ready to hate the article, but it was really well written and I loved the "decrypt my dog's keyboard smash"

I think we can all agree cat LLMs are the way of the future though.

[melagonster]

This makes sense! Many people trust that the functions of a human worker are asking questions and clicking ok. What if AI become better so we just a dog?

[skyberrys]

The funniest thing here is that you think you will still have a boss next week. They can just hire the dog now!

[EGreg]

Sounds like someone is at risk of being left behind in the “permanent underclass” sir!