[geminiboy]

I have had the pleasure of riding a few times in SanFrancisco.

The drive was delightful and felt really safe. It handled the SF terrain, traffic and mixed traffic like trams very well.

I wouldnt trust a self driving tesla ( or any camera only systems) though!

[rediguanayum]

I took the Waymo from San Jose airport to home on the peninsula. It took the 101 highway back for the most part, driving very conservatively at 65-55 mph, and in the right most lane. It still has a few quirks though. When there aren't any cars around it will speed up to 65 mph, but at on-ramps, it will slow down to 55 and then speed up once past. It will get stuck behind slow drivers being in the right most lane and patiently follow them a few car length behind them. On the plus side, the lidar stack field of view as shown on the internal display seems to see pretty far down the highway.

[the_real_cher]

Tesla doesnt have Lidar?

[eptcyka]

No. They don't even have radar, camera is all you need, as per Elon.

[disillusioned]

Even more fury-inducing, they don't even have ultrasonic parking sensors on cars that have ultrasonic parking sensors. They disabled them to move to a vision-only stack that is no where near as accurate or as good and which categorically cannot tell a difference in ground truth has occurred in its blind spot. But hey, all _people_ need are two cameras, right?

[aaronbrethorst]

hooboy, https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

[the_real_cher]

That's wild!

[aaronbrethorst]

yeah, it's absolutely a journey :)

[small_model]

Why wouldn't you trust a Telsa, millions of people let there Tesla drive them all over USA (not geofences like Waymo) without touching the wheel from parking spot to parking spot everyday. Have you tried it?

[lccerina]

Maybe because of the multiple investigations Tesla has currently due to crashes, deaths, injuries, etc. all caused by "whoops our cameras were fooled by some glare/fog and accelerated into a truck/pole"

[small_model]

Those are mainly autopilot which people conflate with FSD, and high percentage are human caused accidents (auto pilot requires full attention and driver is liable).

[Gigachad]

Why does Tesla ship a feature called "autopilot" which kills you if you use it instead of "FSD"?

[simondotau]

Autopilot is Tesla’s brand name for adaptive cruise control with lane centering. This is a common feature available on a wide range of vehicles from nearly every major manufacturer, though marketed under different names (e.g., ProPilot, BlueCruise).

Drivers can and do misuse adaptive cruise control systems, sometimes with fatal consequences. Memes aside, there is no strong evidence that fatal misuse occurs more frequently by owners of Tesla cars than with comparable systems from other brands.

This perception reflects the Baader–Meinhof phenomenon, more commonly known as the frequency illusion. Nobody is collecting statistics for other brands, so it’s assumed the phenomenon doesn’t occur.

A similar pattern occurred with media coverage of EV fires. Except in this case, good statistics exist which prove the opposite: ICE vehicles catch fire more often than EVs.

[cheema33]

> Why wouldn't you trust a Telsa, millions of people let there Tesla drive them all over USA (not geofences like Waymo)

I own a Tesla and paid about $10K for the full self driving capability a few years ago. Yeah, I would not trust a Tesla to drive me from airport to my house. There is a reason Tesla is still stuck at level 2 autonomy certification and not 3, 4 or 5.

[Rohansi]

I would agree for most Teslas on the road. However, the very latest (HW4) cars are significantly better at FSD where I would nearly trust it now. Most of those older (pre-2023?) cars will not have their hardware upgraded so they'll still have FSD that drives like an idiot!

[notTooFarGone]

Because it is not real autonomous driving? Being liable for software that you can neither verify nor trust is THE dealbreaker. Once Tesla says "We are liable for all accidents with FSD" with higher level autonomous driving this game changes. But Waymo is just way more reliable.

[tzs]

> millions of people let there Tesla drive them all over USA

There aren't a million Teslas with FSD active in the US. According to Tesla in their latest earnings report there are 1.1 million people worldwide with FSD.