[cowlby]

I find “maintainable code” the hardest bias to let go of. 15+ years of coding and design patterns are hard to let go.

But the aha moment for me was what’s maintainable by AI vs by me by hand are on different realms. So maintainable has to evolve from good human design patterns to good AI patterns.

Specs are worth it IMO. Not because if I can spec, I could’ve coded anyway. But because I gain all the insight and capabilities of AI, while minimizing the gotchas and edge failures.

[girvo]

> But the aha moment for me was what’s maintainable by AI vs by me by hand are on different realms. So maintainable has to evolve from good human design patterns to good AI patterns.

How do you square that with the idea that all the code still has to be reviewed by humans? Yourself, and your coworkers

[cowlby]

I picture like semi conductors; the 5nm process is so absurdly complex that operators can't just peek into the system easily. I imagine I'm just so used to hand crafting code that I can't imagine not being able to peek in.

So maybe it's that we won't be reviewing by hand anymore? I.e. it's LLMs all the way down. Trying to embrace that style of development lately as unnatural as it feels. We're obv not 100% there yet but Claude Opus is a significant step in that direction and they keep getting better and better.

[girvo]

Then who is responsible when (not if) that code does horrible things? We have humans to blame right now. I just don’t see it happening personally because liability and responsibility are too important

[therealdrag0]

For some software, sure but not most.

And you don’t blame humans anyways lol. Everywhere I’ve worked has had “blameless” postmortems. You don’t remove human review unless you have reasonable alternatives like high test coverage and other automated reviews.

[girvo]

We still have performance reviews and are fired. There’s a human that is responsible.

“It’s AI all the way down” is either nonsense on its face, or the industry is dead already.

[Jweb_Guru]

> But the aha moment for me was what’s maintainable by AI vs by me by hand are on different realms

I don't find that LLMs are any more likely than humans to remember to update all of the places it wrote redundant functions. Generally far less likely, actually. So forgive me for treating this claim with a massive grain of salt.