[dev-ns8]

Congrats on shipping!

Two things, does anyone else feel like 2017 was not 9 years ago and rather feels like it was just yesterday? I use a 2017 iMac running MacOS 13.7.8. It appears my hardware will not support any newer version of MacOS. For the most part, I haven't been too discouraged by this as I prefer older MacOS designs over the newer ones.

However, this is the second time in 2 days I've actually hit a wall in the Apple eco-system due to an older OS.

Last night I tried to build Ghostty to hack on a feature... it needs Xcode SDK 26 which isn't supported on Xcode 14 (latest version I'm able to install).

Now today, attempting to try this app out, I can't launch it due to being on too old of an OS.

It's really a shame because this iMac from 2017 is quite the capable machine. Absolutely no reason to upgrade it (from a hardware / performance standpoint).

[password4321]

In case you weren't aware: https://github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher

macOS Big Sur and newer on machines as old as 2007

macOS Big Sur, Monterey, Ventura, Sonoma and Sequoia

Personally I'm hapy with my old macOS in no small part thanks to https://www.macports.org

[IronsideXXVI]

Hey there! What OS version are you using? This app should run on Mac os 14 and later.

[sjs382]

> I use a 2017 iMac running MacOS 13.7.8

[ryandrake]

The absolute newest Mac in my home is a 2017 and is limited to 13.7.8, also. It's still a beast, and I've never really thought of it as "old." The macOS (and iOS) ecosystem, though, is brutal on us "slightly older" hardware owners. We get dropped so quickly, by both Apple and by 3rd party developers.

Windows developers would think nothing of keeping their applications running on Windows 7 (16 years old) or Windows 10 (11 years old), but my 9 year old Mac is somehow ancient.

[dijit]

Is that true?

Subtle bugs always find their way in increasing amounts for Windows applications that continue getting software releases; we tend not notice because we all run actually supported versions most of the time, and even when we dont- its only for a year.

I see people on youtube trying to make “modern desktop” experiences on Windows 7 and 8; and it takes some serious doing with all the incompatibility with things like browsers. Dialogues about missing features crashing you to desktop more often than working.

So much so that there are dedicated forks of chrome and firefox to support this purpose.

[msephton]

I'm interested in what part of the design is limiting your app to macOS 14?

[marcelox86]

not the design per se (however you are right that theres a lot of swiftui usage here that is only available on newer macos’) but mainly because it is using the new @Observable observation macro that is only available on macOS 14+

[msephton]

Thanks for the info! I'm tracking so far behind the Swift "state of the art" in my apps. But, if it ain't broke...

[morphle]

Many Intel Macs are stuck at MacOS 12, Monterey