[pousada]

I don’t know about the rest of Europe but your administration has repeatedly been promoting the AFD in Germany - most prominently your vice president.

The AFD is recognised as a far right party by the German state and is being investigated for anti-democratic activities and goals.

[reliabilityguy]

Sure, but it is not the same thing as explicitly promoting racist and fringe-right ideas.

JD Vance may have voiced support (I didn’t listen to his speech) for conservative or right-wing political forces in Europe, but it is not the same as promoting explicitly racist and fringe-right ideas. There is a night and day difference between the original claim, and the evidence presented.

[pousada]

Sorry but you are just riding semantics here - what is the difference between far-right, extreme-right and “fringe”-right?

AfD is classified as extreme-right by German intelligence.

The US vice president gave them an endorsement in public speeches and met with their leaders privately.

The AFD is actively promoting racist, fringe(sic!)-right ideas such as “remigration” (aka trying to get rid of all German citizens that don’t look “german” enough)

The US government is explicitly promoting the racist ideology that parties like the AFD represent.

If that isn’t enough to open your eyes, please explain what level of “evidence” would be enough - but I rather feel like you have made up your mind long before and aren’t really looking for an honest discussion

[reliabilityguy]

> Sorry but you are just riding semantics here - what is the difference between far-right, extreme-right and “fringe”-right?

I have no idea what is the practical difference. I would say that far right is a party or a group that believe in inherent superiority of certain race over the other. Like, white power, etc. I do not think that saying things like “my culture is better” is racist or makes you far right.

> AfD is classified as extreme-right by German intelligence. > The US vice president gave them an endorsement in public speeches and met with their leaders privately. > The AFD is actively promoting racist, fringe(sic!)-right ideas such as “remigration” (aka trying to get rid of all German citizens that don’t look “german” enough)

It shows support by JD Vance, sure.

> The US government is explicitly promoting the racist ideology that parties like the AFD represent.

I would not agree that this constitutes as explicitly promoting. In my view explicitly promoting an ideology is standing on a stand and repeating the goals of said ideology. Did JD Vance said that reimigration is a good thing, and that he fully supports it for Germany? Idk, if he did, let’s see, and I will concede.

> If that isn’t enough to open your eyes, please explain what level of “evidence” would be enough - but I rather feel like you have made up your mind long before and aren’t really looking for an honest discussion

I didn’t make my mind. I’m very much against racism, and any other form of discrimination. I’m also against intellectually lazy forms of debate.

In my view and my experience the journalists discredited themselves so much in the past 5 years, so I simply do not trust their interpretations at all (regardless of their political affiliation). Show me the source, so I can see myself.

[lovich]

Is there any sort of comment someone can make that you accept as being racist beyond “I am racist” or “I hate X people”?

[reliabilityguy]

Of course.

[pousada]

I showed you all the sources but you prefer to close your eyes.

Of course even the most hardcore AFD racists wouldn’t go on a stand and proclaim that they support remigration, because that would get the party banned and destroy all chances of them getting to power.

I know it’s a tired example online but at least I know a bit about it: do you think the Nazis wrote in their party agenda and proclaimed in their public speeches that the white race is superior and they would start a genocide to exterminate subhumans?

Of course they only revealed their true faces between each other or AFTER they achieved absolute power. Anything else would be ridiculously stupid.

> I do not think that saying things like “my culture is better” is racist

It’s not as racist as the other example you gave but it’s very nationalistic - and from that it’s just a small step to go “if my culture is better, why shouldn’t we rule the world?” - “if my culture is better why should we allow other (worse!) cultures to exist”? If you arrived at that point you almost have to exterminate other cultures - how could you allow something bad to poison and destroy the people? They could be saved by your obviously better culture! You would almost be a monster not “liberating” them!

“Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen” - look it up

> shows support by JD Vance, sure

He is the vice president of the United States - it’s not like he is some random guy whose opinion has no weight

> Show me the source, so I can see myself.

Then just listen to the speeches and proclamations of your heads of state. If you are as antiracist as you claim it should be easy to reveal the agenda they never quite state openly but that is always present between the lines

[reliabilityguy]

> do you think the Nazis wrote in their party agenda and proclaimed in their public speeches that the white race is superior and they would start a genocide to exterminate subhumans?

Yes??

Read point 4 of NSDAP's 1920 platform: https://www.vaholocaust.org/25-points-of-nsdap/

Only German by blood can be citizen.

> Anything else would be ridiculously stupid.

This is funny. Are you saying that germans of the early 20th century had the same perspective as you?

> It’s not as racist as the other example you gave but it’s very nationalistic - and from that it’s just a small step to go “if my culture is better, why shouldn’t we rule the world?” - “if my culture is better why should we allow other (worse!) cultures to exist”? If you arrived at that point you almost have to exterminate other cultures - how could you allow something bad to poison and destroy the people? They could be saved by your obviously better culture! You would almost be a monster not “liberating” them!

Maybe, maybe not. The same thing can be said about left as well, and we have a lot of examples in history how left ideologies were taken too far and millions of people had perished in the process: industrialization of USSR by Stalin, Mao's great leap, etc.

So, the bottom line is that extremes are bad.

> Then just listen to the speeches and proclamations of your heads of state. If you are as antiracist as you claim it should be easy to reveal the agenda they never quite state openly but that is always present between the lines

Which ones? Why is it always a referral to something abstract that I have to go an look up in order to prove your point? Do you have a particular speech in mind that you've listened to, where on minute XYZ JD Vance stated something that made you believe that he pushes racist or what not agenda? Please share.

Or, perhaps, you've read about the fact that JD Vance made the speech (and you never listened to it in its entirety), and you've read an article where the journalist attributed some things to JD Vance and his speech?

I am open to change my mind. Please show me.