[jbstack]

Well, I don't see these sites as a complete solution. They're a way to get you from zero to "I can actually manage to write something, even if it's a bit awkward and slow". Once you cross that threshold, you make the switch and you learn by doing until you improve to an acceptable level.

[bobchadwick]

Yeah, I can't imagine switching to a new layout without using these tools. I'm just struggling to level up in the real world.