[windexh8er]

Current LLMs do not think. Just because all models anthropomorphize the repetitive actions a model is looping through does not mean they are truly thinking or reasoning.

On the flip side the idea of this being true has been a very successful indirect marketing campaign.

[pousada]

What does “truly thinking or reasoning” even mean for you?

I don’t think we even have a coherent definition of human intelligence, let alone of non-human ones.

[chpatrick]

Everyone knows to really think you need to use your fleshy meat brain, everything else is cheating.

[windexh8er]

Oh, yes. The trope of "but what does it even mean to think".

If you can't speak, can you think? Yes. Large Language model. Thinking is not predicated on language.

A few good starts for you. Please refute all of these arguments in your spare time to convince me otherwise:

* https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/illusion-of-think... * https://archive.is/FM4y8 * https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/secondary-school-maths-show...

[pousada]

My point was not that I’m 100% convinced that LLMs can think or are intelligent.

My point was that we don’t have a great definition for (human) intelligence either. The articles you posted also don’t seem to be too confident in what human intelligence actually entails.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence

> There is controversy over how to define intelligence. Scholars describe its constituent abilities in various ways, and differ in the degree to which they conceive of intelligence as quantifiable.

Given that an LLM isn’t even human but essentially an alien entity, who can confidently say they are intelligent or not?

I’m very sceptic of those who are very convinced one or the other way.

Are LLMs intelligent in the way that humans are? I’m quite sure they aren’t.

Are LLMs just stochastic parrots? I don’t find that framing convincing anymore either.

Either way it’s not clear, just check how this topic is discussed daily in most frontpage threads for the last couple of years