[nerevarthelame]

Terrence Tao expressed sentiments are at odds with you and which align with the article:

> The U.S. used to be sort of the default, the no brainer, option. If you got an offer from a top U.S. university, this was like almost the best thing that could happen to you as an academic ... If it's just a less welcoming, atmosphere for science in general here, the best and brightest may not automatically come to the US as they have for decades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skWt_PZosik

[flawn]

A more lengthy article about his resentment against the government: https://newsletter.ofthebrave.org/p/im-an-award-winning-math...

[oytis]

He has a point, but there are no obvious alternatives. It's still a long way towards fascism for USA to actually lose its attractiveness, and it's not that other countries are getting more democratic either

[adgjlsfhk1]

Canada and EU are currently far more attractive if not getting kidnapped by the government and sent to an El Salvadorian torture camp is a priority for you.

[oytis]

How many PhDs have been sent to El Salvador? EU doesn't nearly have the career opportunities as the US, even less so for foreigners. Canada might be slightly better, for its proximity to the US and being an English-speaking country

[direwolf20]

None, because if you have a PhD, you're smart enough not to try it.

[ainch]

It's definitely >0 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

[tick_tock_tick]

Canada can't even keep their own citizen anyone trying for much of anything comes to the USA same with the EU.

[tzs]

For mathematics Europe is an obvious alternative. The US and Europe produce about the same level of high level mathematics research per year.

[gizzlon]

> I's still a long way towards fascism for USA to actually lose its attractiveness

Hard disagree. They are on a road to totalitarianism. Unless there's a quite violent change of course, it's just going to get much worse.

Have you not seen the president and his people go after: Political opponents, Attorneys, Leaders and workers in the government who dare to disagree, Immigrants and tourists with the wrong opinions, Journalists (because they power and can expose some of the lies and corruption).

Have you not seen the Trump family and friends becoming very rich, and giving out contracts to their friends?

Have you not seen the government being weaponist against the maga "enemies" ?

This is what fascism looks like.

[oytis]

This is all bad, but the real test will be the next presidential elections and, to a lesser extent, midterms. If you can vote a dictator out, it's not a real dictatorship.

And again, I'm not really seeing Europe staying democratic for long after the fall of the USA

[gizzlon]

> but the real test will be the next presidential elections and, to a lesser extent, midterm

Sorry, but that is just extremely naive. Just look at how this usually works. Or look at what the orange fuckhead tried the last time. Now, repeat, but with much more power and influence in all the right places, from government to big tech.

[oytis]

Sorry, I am not from the USA, but like many people know a lot more about it than I would like - still might be missing some context because of that. I am not sure how it really works - all these people who now support Trump in achieving their goals - why would they want to support him in staying in power indefinitely? Isn't it clear that when there is no democracy, their opinion doesn't matter anymore? It's still very non-obvious to me that US as a whole will let that happen.

[gizzlon]

Me neither, and same!

I have no idea, but many keep supporting him through all of the above. So what would make them stop?

I hope you're right, but it's not looking good so far :/

[xiphias2]

Not really, one is complaining, the other (which the article's title says) is voting with their feet. He could have gone to literally any country/university in the world and he chose not to.

Also in the USA you just wait 4 (or 8) years and you have a new president. In many other countries you don't have that luxury.

[shadowofneptune]

That is also the curse of the US now. If your funding will only last a single presidential term, you can't ensure a livelihood. The instability of US budgeting and the wildly different priorities of incoming presidents is a huge source of uncertainty and cost.