[guywithahat]

Well it's a retort on the 2022 IRA bill, which increased the IRS budget by 80 billion over 10 years, and paved the way to hire 87,000 people. There has been a lot of hiring recently so it's hard to tell one thing from another but this isn't so much of mass layoff as an attempt at returning to normal.

[toomuchtodo]

Please provide evidence for what you considered to be normal to be an effective workforce for the ongoing task at hand (nation state tax collection).

[guywithahat]

We had an exceptional increase in funding, followed by an attempt to curb that increase in funding. The size of the IRS is not just a financial exercise but a moral one, and I believe the prior budget increases as part of the 2022 IRA provides important context to staffing in the IRS.

[nobodyandproud]

I think we should first agree on what “normal” means.

I personally view our IRS head count as being at historical lows by raw headcount; and even lower by population size if we look at the last 40 years (would love data that goes back further).

[groundzeros2015]

The evidence was the baseline before the increase

[toomuchtodo]

The baseline was there was significant tax evasion by high net worth individuals. The staff up was to counter that, staffing down puts us back at reduced enforcement.

Someone has to pay to operate a nation state, you can’t borrow forever to fill the gap and there’s nothing left to cut. Roughly the bottom 60% of Americans do not make enough to have a federal income tax liability. So, we can kick the can on the top 40% paying until the bond vigilantes make the decision for the US.

[groundzeros2015]

> The staff up was to counter that

Stated reasons may or may not be actual.

If you recall these were not just accountants but agents who carry guns etc.

I see this as very similar to the ICE situation. Biden has loyalty and power in IRS and so gave it money to help him police. As the government gets more corrupted I think we’ll find more agencies weaponized like this.

[toomuchtodo]

Can you provide proof of this “loyalty and power” at the IRS to Biden mentioned? Because without proof, it sounds like a “deep state” conspiracy theory without evidence.

[groundzeros2015]

I can provide evidence that the IRS and the majority of its employees have good relationships with democrats.

The equivalent question is can you provide proof that ICE provides power and is loyal to Trump?

I don’t think you would say that’s a deep state conspiracy.

[nobodyandproud]

Normal?

The 100k headcount and bill doesn’t cover what we in the US used to enjoy, with a smaller population: - https://taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/2025-04/IRS%...

- https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/5856e771-dd09-4517-...