[ericmcer]

The military is a huge jobs program though, it does provide a way out if you are low income. Some of my good friends had bad childhoods and 4 years in the military (navy, marines) did work out a lot of their issues, pay for their college and get them on some kind of path.

It would be way better if we had jobs programs that built infrastructure and improved public works, but I don't know if converting from `military` -> `direct handouts` would be an improvement.

[ta9000]

Military and defense contractors are two separate things. Both are jobs programs, the latter for upper middle class white people in flyover states.