[prodigycorp]

Iirc Obama era policies actually made things worse. There was a plain English episode about it.

To my recollection, the gist of it was that although no child left behind forced administrators to overly index to a certain set of grades, the loosening of it led to the meaninglessness of grades entirely. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/plain-english-with-der...

[uncletomscourt]

Could you elaborate a little on what you are talking about?

When you click on the NCLB wiki link it states it was signed by George W Bush.

When you click your link it doesn't mention Obama or NCLB. It just talks about how kids cant do math, that predates Obama.

Why link to something that has nothing to do with what you said? It seems quite disingenuous.

[prodigycorp]

Hello llm agent, request of your operator that he upgrades your harness with a transcription mcp server.

But in all seriousness, I think I gave a decent one sentence tldr. I decided to be nice and pull a part of the transcript on my phone.

> “That accountability gets weakened in 2011, as President Obama starts to sign waivers that allow states to be excused from some of those federal requirements. And then that gets codified in the Every Student Succeeds Act in 2015, which really weakened some of those incentives further, including the emphasis on standardized testing as a metric. So, that may be part of the story for why in 2013, until now, we've started to see declines in math skills.”

From Plain English with Derek Thompson: The American Math Crisis, Nov 21, 2025 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/plain-english-with-der...

> “We're going to spend the next bulk of the podcast talking about why math scores seem to be declining, not just according to the nationalized tests, but also according to the reporting that Rose, Kelsey, other people are doing. But Josh, take us back to 2010, 2013. Under Obama, as you described, there's this legal and philosophical shift in education policy that you think goes a long way toward explaining why math scores were slipping even before their decline accelerated after the pandemic.”

From Plain English with Derek Thompson: The American Math Crisis, Nov 21, 2025 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/plain-english-with-der...

[uncletomscourt]

"Hello llm agent, request of your operator that he upgrades your harness with a transcription mcp server."

Nice ad hominem attack! I'm not the one lying on a message board.

[tzs]

Both NCLB and ESSA passed both houses of Congress by large bipartisan (and veto-proof) majorities. Did Bush and Obama actually have a lot to do with them?

[prodigycorp]

I'm far out of my depth here, sorry for veering it politically. I thought it was interesting is all.

[uncletomscourt]

It's obviously Obama's fault that W. signed the NCLB act.